I could afford Nuendo, but are nervous about time for learning. Max—is it max for live? I work daily in Ableton Live, but guess max is a different thing. Logic has 8 ch busses.
> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 14.25 skrev Augustine Leudar > <augustineleu...@gmail.com>: > > PS I use Nuendo for sound design - but I understand your price concerns - > reaper would cover all these bases - I am unfamiliar with the bus system in > Logic. Amplitude panning is just your basic surround panner - in fact the > balance on your stereo is a form of amplitude panning. If you want a really > irregular speaker setup youll need max and know how to program it (theres > possibly other software available - thats just what I use) > > On 27 March 2018 at 13:22, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com > <mailto:augustineleu...@gmail.com>> > wrote: > >> 16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of >> cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally >> bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I dont >> know waht the spatialisation tools are like. >> >> On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks >>> And impressive work! >>> Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude >>> panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) >>> BR >>> Søren Bendixen >>> >>> Sendt fra min iPad >>> >>>> Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < >>> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: >>>> >>>> This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. >>>> >>>> J >>>> >>>> http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/pape >>> rs/marentakis_2014c.pdf >>>> >>>> >>>> On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project >>> with >>>>> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice would >>> be >>>>> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - >>> sweet >>>>> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and >>>>> occasionally for museums, >>>>> best, >>>>> Gus >>>>> >>>>> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a >>> quite >>>>>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in >>> phase >>>>>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a >>> signal >>>>>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a >>> lower >>>>>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned >>>>> equidistant >>>>>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air >>>>> pressure >>>>>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic >>>>> pattern. >>>>>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of >>>>> the >>>>>> opposite pairs of speakers. >>>>>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, >>> unless >>>>>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. >>>>>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? >>>>>> >>>>>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper >>> and >>>>>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which >>>>> could >>>>>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which >>>>> will >>>>>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a >>>>>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS >>>>>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same >>> time. >>>>>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! >>>>>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so >>>>>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Hope this helps! >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Jack >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>> I need some advice! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: >>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < >>>>>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project >>>>>> could be the one using ambisonics!… >>>>>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot >>> lately, >>>>>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting stuff >>> to >>>>>> binaural. >>>>>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my speakers. >>> I >>>>>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. >>>>>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I >>> can >>>>>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I >>> do >>>>>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the >>>>>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into >>> another >>>>> DAW >>>>>> is difficult. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use >>>>>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some >>>>>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging every >>>>>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I >>>>> started >>>>>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 >>> compositions/sounddesign >>>>>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from >>> asoundeffect). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker >>>>>> placement. >>>>>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this is >>>>>> what want to do: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related >>> to >>>>>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other >>>>>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up >>>>>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This sounddesign >>>>> will >>>>>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part of >>>>> the >>>>>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign >>> will >>>>>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different >>>>> audiofiles >>>>>> (managed by Qlab). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square >>> but >>>>>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting >>>>> movies >>>>>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly >>> season >>>>>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just >>> the >>>>>> sound of a cold cold morning..). >>>>>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. >>>>>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking or >>>>>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and >>>>> into >>>>>> headphones. and back. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle >>> will >>>>>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear >>>>>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave >>> what I >>>>>> call the overall sounddesign. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So how do I do that..? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a >>>>>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. >>>>>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- >>>>>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? >>>>>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd >>>>>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. >>>>>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the >>>>>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle >>> of >>>>> a >>>>>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like >>> the >>>>>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker >>>>>> configuration..right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both >>>>>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific >>> position)- >>>>>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an >>> overall >>>>>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same >>>>> design…? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And what software do I need? >>>>>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make >>>>>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files >>>>>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound >>> for >>>>>> headphones. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I´m testing >>>>>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic >>> too) >>>>>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) >>> - >>>>>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) >>>>>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses >>> some >>>>>> automation) >>>>>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m about to test >>>>>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX >>>>>>> Rondo360 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can >>> handle >>>>>> ambisonics, right? >>>>>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper >>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < >>>>>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different >>>>>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and >>> make >>>>>> all three in the same session…in logic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for >>>>>> some odd stuff. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So - what do you recommend? >>>>>>> And what do see as problems/issues? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says: >>>>>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) >>>>>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does >>>>> far >>>>>> more weird stuff than this :-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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