16 speakers etc ? I would use Reaper if you dont want to spend lots of cash - its also very flexible. I use max for this stuff as its totally bespoke. Pure data is a free version but a steep learning curve and I dont know waht the spatialisation tools are like.
On 27 March 2018 at 13:17, søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks > And impressive work! > Now I just need to now where to get vbap or another form of amplitude > panning - plug-ins and a hint re. DAW (reaper I guess..) > BR > Søren Bendixen > > Sendt fra min iPad > > > Den 27. mar. 2018 kl. 11.32 skrev jack reynolds < > jackreynolds...@gmail.com>: > > > > This is the first one i found, but it will give you an idea. > > > > J > > > > http://www2.spsc.tugraz.at/people/georgios/publications/ > papers/marentakis_2014c.pdf > > > > > > On 27 March 2018 at 10:27, Augustine Leudar <augustineleu...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Sorry Im a bit busy so didnt read all. I did quite a similar project > with > >> two concentric rings of speakers one inside the other. My advice would > be > >> to not use ambisonics but Vbap or some form of amplitude panning - sweet > >> spot is less of an issue. I do a lot of walk around installations and > >> occasionally for museums, > >> best, > >> Gus > >> > >> On 27 March 2018 at 08:01, Jack Reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> As far as I know, higher order ambisonics over loudspeakers has a quite > >>> confined sweet spot. Higher order spherical harmonics produce an in > phase > >>> and out of phase signal in opposite speaker pairs. So if you pan a > signal > >>> towards a particular speaker, the opposite speaker will produce a lower > >>> level antiphase signal, which will work when you are positioned > >> equidistant > >>> from both speakers, causing a certain amount of nulling of the air > >> pressure > >>> at that spot, but positive particle velocity, like a figure 8 mic > >> pattern. > >>> So as you move around the room, the sonic image will change because of > >> the > >>> opposite pairs of speakers. > >>> It’s also very difficult to isolate a sound in a single speaker, unless > >>> you are working at seventh order ambisonics, with a 64 channel signal. > >>> So I am wondering why you are considering ambisonics over vbap? > >>> > >>> I use the Blue Ripple Sound third order ambisonic plug-ins in Reaper > and > >>> have also been experimenting with the IEM seventh order plugins which > >> could > >>> be worth experimenting with. Reaper and Nuendo are the only DAWs which > >> will > >>> give you 64 channel busses for 7th order, and IEM have just launched a > >>> customisable speaker array decoding plugin. You can also try MATHIAS > >>> Kronlachers 7th order ambiX suite for binaural decoding at the same > time. > >>> They also free, so you could experiment for nothing! > >>> PTHD has just updated to 16 channel busses but logic can only do 8, so > >>> first order only, which won’t give you much positional accuracy. > >>> > >>> Hope this helps! > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Jack > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On 27 Mar 2018, at 00:17, Søren Bendixen <soerenbendi...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hello > >>>> I need some advice! > >>>> > >>>> I’ve been doing music/sounddesign for museums for a while now (read: > >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/ < > >>> https://www.asoundeffect.com/museum-sound-design/>). My next project > >>> could be the one using ambisonics!… > >>>> I have never really used ambisonics but have been reading a lot > lately, > >>> and demoing plug ins - up til now only in headphones converting stuff > to > >>> binaural. > >>>> And in the next few days I´ll test some ambisonics over my speakers. I > >>> did that a while back and it sounded very cool. > >>>> I have a studio with 8 ch out, 8 speakers (and a sub) - but hope I can > >>> get my hands on 8 more channels and 8 more speakers. > >>>> > >>>> I have logic Pro x, ableton live 9 (upgrading soon..) and Reaper. I do > >>> most of my work in Logic Pro X, and would like to stay in Logic - the > >>> exhibition opens in less than three months…so digging deep into another > >> DAW > >>> is difficult. > >>>> > >>>> I’m a composer and I compose music and sounddesign.I tend to use > >>> standard technical configurations in odd ways (parallel stereo, some > >>> sourround configs), Mostly it is ways of composing and arranging every > >>> sound as a part of a symphony. It do that in different ways - and I > >> started > >>> out working this way because I was asked to do 3 > compositions/sounddesign > >>> playing in the same room - (please read the article from asoundeffect). > >>>> > >>>> Exhibition rooms are also often odd designs - and so is speaker > >>> placement. > >>>> But this time I have the possibility to work in 3 circles and this is > >>> what want to do: > >>>> > >>>> - Inner circle: Speak in headphones + two sounddesigns: one related to > >>> the speak, the other layers from the sounddesign from the two other > >>> circles. I want this sounddesign to be 3D/Binaural. > >>>> > >>>> - Middle circle: 8 speakers hanging from a rig about 4 - 5 meters up > >>> pointing down into the circle.(45 degrees i guess..). This sounddesign > >> will > >>> consist of music, local sound related to object/themes in this part of > >> the > >>> exhibition. This should be in ambisonics. some of this sounddesign will > >>> appear in headphones as binaural sounds. I can be two different > >> audiofiles > >>> (managed by Qlab). > >>>> > >>>> - Outer circle: 8 speakers placed on the walls - the room is square > but > >>> we will try to create an illusion that it is circular by projecting > >> movies > >>> on the walls. Here I want another sounddesign consisting of mainly > season > >>> related sound (spring, summer, winter - storm, rain, wind, and just the > >>> sound of a cold cold morning..). > >>>> his sounddesign should be ambisonics too. > >>>> If possible I would like sounds from ex. horses (or people walking or > >>> wind blowing) wander from the outer circle into the middle circle and > >> into > >>> headphones. and back. > >>>> > >>>> The sounddesign/music from the middle circle and the outer circle will > >>> blend (and should blend) and when you put on headphones you will hear > >>> layers of the middle and outer circle designs - so you never leave > what I > >>> call the overall sounddesign. > >>>> > >>>> So how do I do that..? > >>>> > >>>> First I need to know: Is it true that Ambisonics does not “aim for” a > >>> sweet spot - Paul Virostek says it does (https://www. > >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883 <https://www. > >>> creativefieldrecording.com/2017/03/01/explorers-of- > >>> ambisonics-introduction/#more-16883>) a lot says it doesn’t..? > >>>> It is very importing to find out about, because an exhibition crowd > >>> walks around so a narrow sweet spot is no go. > >>>> And my main reason for using ambisonics is that is believe it is the > >>> best format to create space/soundroom where you are ex. in the middle > of > >> a > >>> storm. or you walk around inside a composition/orchestra.I also like > the > >>> idea that ambisonics is not depending on a fixed speaker > >>> configuration..right? > >>>> > >>>> So I want to create big spaces BUT the same sounddesign needs both > >>> overall sound and local sound (sounds that stays in a specific > position)- > >>> and wandering sounds - it seems to be possible too to blend an overall > >>> ambisonic full circle of sound with local placed sounds in the same > >> design…? > >>>> > >>>> And what software do I need? > >>>> I guess I need software that can deal with ambisonics files and make > >>> ambisonics files out of mono, stereo, surround files > >>>> and software that can convert ambisonics sound into binaural sound for > >>> headphones. > >>>> > >>>> I´m testing > >>>> Noisemakers ambihead, and Ambipan (good stuff and working in logic > too) > >>>> DearVR music (and tomorrow testing DearVR pro for ambisonics output) - > >>> (sounds great and the panner is very good) > >>>> And Logics own binarual output. (seems ok for binaural but misses some > >>> automation) > >>>> Wigware (seems ok but cannot work in logic) > >>>> > >>>> I’m about to test > >>>> Waves ambisonics B360 + NX > >>>> Rondo360 > >>>> > >>>> Everthing will run in sync controlled by Qlab - I guess Qlab can > handle > >>> ambisonics, right? > >>>> I found this about Qlab and ambisonics but it involves Reaper > >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556 < > >>> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=161556> > >>>> > >>>> I’m used to do the different layers of sound design in different > >>> sessions and combining them afterwards but this time I will try and > make > >>> all three in the same session…in logic. > >>>> > >>>> I also have sound particles but it is stand alone and I might use for > >>> some odd stuff. > >>>> > >>>> So - what do you recommend? > >>>> And what do see as problems/issues? > >>>> > >>>> I’m sorry for taking your (holliday) time but I need someone to says: > >>> Buy or get this software and do this - and you´re good :-) > >>>> And I know I’m addressing my questions to a forum of people how does > >> far > >>> more weird stuff than this :-) > >>>> > >>>> I hope I’ve made myself clear. 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