Boanne wrote:
>Yes, I put you in there...I hope you don't mind... And BTW we
>will all be holding you to this higher standard from now on
><grin>.
Don't hold your hopes up, I'll keep on sending off topic and incorrect
mails. Like this one. ;)
>}- Exactly, nothing is easy when you start to learn it. What can
>}- be make it easier is if you've:
>}- 1. Ever seen something like it before
>}- 2. Aren't afraid of discovering new things
>
>For me, and most of the people I know or have taught it's the
>second that has been the most helpful and motivational. I had
>never seen anything like a computer before, unless you count an
>old-fashioned non-computerized cash register.
But what about a typical typewrite? People seem to be afraid of the
keyboard, but many have used a typewrite I own two of them, used to torture
my Lego people with them ;)
But I have never
>been afraid of discovering new things. Ironically enough, my
>laziness was also a major motivating factor. I wanted to do
>astrology charts. I could do them "by hand" doing all the math
>calculations with paper and pencil, but it was a long,
>painstaking process and one little mistake would throw the
>entire thing off and you had to start from the beginning.
By hand? Perhaps it's not such an exact science as astronomy is, one guy I
know made a program that simulated the movement of all the plantes and
there moons in our solarsystem. And it was *very* complex. But I guess you
used a more easily to use model for calculating (ex. ignoring the fact that
they pull at each other through space.)
>That explains it then, I've never known any journalists or
>doctors, so that's why I never knew anyone who used an Apple/Mac.
They where also popular at universities here. Now they are ued at my uni.
for mail access (but I wouldn't dare use one for that since there aren't a
CLI where I can check to see that the files are removed afterwards). I only
know three people ever using Mac.
Two of them where very enthustiastic about Win95 comming out since it would
make everything easier. One of them called me up earlier and said that he
had figured out
that M$ don't do any beta testing at all. Powerpoint 97 never removes the
old stuff from a saved file when saving again but saves again afterwards -
even if nothing was changed! (Save As.. worked Ok)
>Yes, I remember when I was learning I had this problem. The way
>my teacher (who also happened to be my son) helped me to
>understand it was to compare the file on the hard drive to a
>record (the kind you play on a stereo). The music seems
>non-existent when you aren't playing the record, but you know
>the information that is the music is recorded in the grooves
>of the record, you know it's always there and available, even
>when you aren't actually playing it. I was able to understand
>this and it helped me immensely.
A very good analogy (sp?), I never managed to find a good one when I taught
people, but telling them that files where like papers that you put in a
cabinet was atleast understandable to most of them.
>}- Yes, but also finding the way to make unknown things known
>}- to you.
>
>I think a good teacher is absolutely essential to this part of the problem.
I was my own teacher, and I guess that several on this list also was there
own teachers.
>}- I never heard of any other OS until 89-90 [snip]
>
>Then my experience isn't unusual. See, I'm not as weird as you
>thought I was <grin>.
Perhaps not, but you never know ;)
>*This message written with 100% recycled electrons.
There was a program for Win 3.x that did that! (Ok, it just showed the user
a few images and some stats on how many electrons that where damaged or bad
in the computer.)
//Bernie
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