>I would suggest that anyone who has a serious interest in regional or larger >scale biodiesel production simply contact Tim Haig and talk to him, they are >open for business, and happy to discuss with potential plant purchasers >possible terms. > >They are not interested in making biodiesel, AFAIK...they want to sell >plants not product.
Your heroes, Ed. They certainly make a lot of claims, some of which seem quite wild, and/or contradictory. Reads a lot like poorly edited sales talk. Have they actually managed to produce any product yet to back up their claims? I mean not test-tubes full, proper production that meets ASTM standards, as they claim, at a cost of 8 cents a litre (or was that 18 cents a litre)? Do they have any track record at all? Or just PR talk and pending patents, which they might not be able to patent? Keith >If the process, and the deal struck make sense, go ahead and go at it - >regional production with the Biox process plant, that is. > >I know some will disagree, but I have to say it appears to me that >continuous production plants will win out over batch plants. Continuous and >somewhat capital-intensive processes, combined with good and inexpensive >transportation systems, have certainly replaced many local small scale >operations in many other industries - the question will be scale. At what >scale, in Canada/US, with our rail and highway links, will a more costly >(financed) continuous plant beat a less expensive (maybe "paid for and built >from surplus bits"), but less efficient, batch plant? >We talk "small scale" and "mega"....but there will likely be some regional >optimum scale, keeping in mind that "region", in economic geography, is >quite a loose and flexible term! > > >Edward Beggs, BES, MSc >Neoteric Biofuels Inc. >Located in the Okanagan Valley, British Columbia, Canada >1-250-768-3169 Fax: 1-250-768-3118 >Toll-Free (Canada/USA): 1-866-768-3169 >http://www.biofuels.ca >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > >on 8/24/02 10:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The Biox process has some particular advantages that to a large extent > > simplify rather than complicate the process. This is described in their > > recent press reports. of which the following is one example: > > > > "This process utilizes a co-solvent; base catalyzed one phase process. The > > advantages presented were those of a continuous process with significant > > reduction in process time and the success achieved when using feedstocks of > > high free fatty acid content. The goal of the biox process is to produce > > biodiesel from any feedstock at a cost of 15-20 cents/litre (CND)." > > > > Porcine lipase as a catalyst is readily available and the co-solvent itself > > is not unique. The process, nevertheless, appears unique enough to merit > > claims that the USPTO recognizes as patentable. > > > > How difficult would it be to invent around this process and/or to improve > > upon it? And, if this is not possible, since the process offers unique > > advantages, what would a homebrew process look like using some of the > > essential Biox process details? > > > > The US Patent Office encourages the development of new >technology, for which > > reason they require patent details to be clearly presented; this >will enable > > others to see whether the technology can be improved. The technique of > > "inventing around the patent" to obtain its competitive advantages is the > > first thing a megabusiness often considers, before consideing >whether or not > > to buy out the competitive patent rights of another patent holder. > > Alternatively, there have been instances of a company just usiing the > > technology of a patent for their commercial purposes, and say "sue me." > > > > There appear therefore to be two reasons for looking at thie Biox patented > > technology, first to see if you can invent around the Biox process, and > > second to see if the Biox technology can simplify the homebrew process, > > without, however, using the technology for commercial purposes. >Note that a > > patent does not prevent use of the technology exceot for >commercial benefit. > > > > > > For the technology to develop into regional-sized businesses >rather than into > > a mega business, this goal would seem to require, or at least to be > > expedited, by developing a patentable positoin and then putting those > > proprietary rights into the public domain. Alternatively, a new business > > could be formed, using the technology on a proprietary basis, but with the > > deliberate intent of developing the technology on a regional basis. > > > > Otherwise, the Biox process, being based upon its own propietary, >patentable > > position, appears destined, or at least as is their intent, to become a > > megabusiness and take over the commercial market, much as Edward Beggs > > described in his 8/17 message. . > > > > Glenn Ellis ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/FGYolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! 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