Dear Daniel,
The subject was biofuel and I see them as renewable biological sources. I was driving Taxis on NG, 40 years ago in Sweden, but it is not a biofuel. The country that adopted NG the most is probably The Netherlands and I have often driven NG fueled cars there. They also have resources of natural gas. Keith initiated a very interesting discussion about synthetic fuels and the production of oil from coal. All of this are especially interesting for the coal rich Germany. It is however not biofuel. I do not think that Germany lacks agricultural area, it is a pseudo argument. You do not hear this in The Netherlands who have most people per square kilometer of the countries in the world. I also had an other restriction that excludes many alternative that are possible to develop. That is the "ready for use" condition. This means that it could be generally implemented in a time span of 20 to 40 years. Ethanol and Biodiesel/SVO can use existing consumer equipment and fit into existing distribution systems. If you start a business based on biofuel it must be possible to sell and use it now. If not, it is not a business. In fact, it was a very interesting exercise to take that perspective, because it becomes an acid test for the "ready for use" perspective. I have so much that I want to learn and so much that I want to communicate. I will continue and you will probably find the tings you missed in an other piece for our web site. Hakan At 04:22 PM 12/12/2002 +0100, you wrote: >Thanks Hakan for this very interesting view on >biofuels! >But may I give you some impression fo the german >point of view? >First of all you did not mention Methanol, >Fischer-Tropsch-Fuels (FT-fuels) and Biogas. >Ethanol is not discussed in Germany probably of >the lack of agricultural aera. >I will not talk about Methanol because I think it >will not have any chance. >So what about FT-fuels? This fuel is promoted in >Germany by federal institutions and by the >automobil industry - namely DC and VW. This >medium-term opportunity needs no chances in the >motors, it can be made from every organic material >but it needs bigger productions sites. On the >other hand it is very energy intensive in >production and the technology is still in >development. Here a big discussion is going on. >Biogas also now is in the discussion: cleaned and >enriched up to Natural Gas and bringing it to a >filling station or feeding it into a gas pipeline >may be an interesting thing. This is already done >in Sweden and Switzerland. There are cars driving >with NG, many new NG filling stations will be >built in nearest future, the liberalisation of the >EU Gas market is in progress and the technology is >available. The fraction of NG cars will increase. >Producing electricity from biogas in Germany is >economically very interesting because of a refund >assured by law. And biogas can be produced in very >small units. >Biodiesel does not have the best reputation cause >of the problems of monocultures. But it takes 0,55 >% of the fuel market in Germany. >So these are some points what is in the discussion >in Germany. But Germany is not the biggest country >although it has the most people in the Europe. A >unique solution can only be found within Europe, >here Ethanol might be leading. >Another thing is the opening of the EU towards the >east, with it big aeras of land and cheap labor. > >So, this is a little input - hastily written. > >Greetings > >Daniel > > >Hakan Falk schrieb: > > Hi Keith and others, > > > > I am now close to publish, > > http://energy.saving.nu/biofuels/biofuelorg.shtml > > I am still insecure about "Ethanol, big or small?" and will probably take > > this as a separate issue all together. Politics and perceptions are very > > important for a business, so I am not sure yet. 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