Once again we are spiraling down into a right/wrong
debate.  This is not the point.  The point is that
China and America are not friends.  There is a well
known saying even among higher Chinese politicians
that war with America is ineveitable.

Please I don't say who is right or wrong.  I jsut say
that trouble is coming.  Walt's post lists some of the
possible problems when trouble developes.  Absolutely
rtight on.

But Walt's post is wrong about just who owns what (and never mind quite why) and CS's corrections are indeed correct. Helps to get at least some of the facts right first, eh?

As for trouble being inevitable, I don't agree with that either, regardless of what the intentions might be (on both sides).

An article titled "Slowly but steadily, India will overtake China" was published in the IHT about six months ago. It's discussed here, interesting:

http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34917/1

Best

Keith


Best Regards,

Peter G.
Thailand

--- csc-propulsion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   How would like if it is a Chinese warplane that
> lands in USA? How would
> like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just
> outside the USA territorial
> water and takes aerial photographs at random?
> America media would rise up
> called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what USA
> is doing to China
> everyday and China has never protested unless you
> intrude into the airpsace
> with permission. So what makes Amercian more equal
> than others? Are you
> strong enough to give an honest answer?
>
>   Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what
> America is doing to others
> before saying what others are doing to USA.
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
>
>
>   > Hi Walt ;
>   >
>   > Yes the potential for China to cause serious
>   > disruption to the US economy is scary and
> increasing.
>   > Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend" of
> the US,
>   > look at how China handled the US spyplane
> accident and
>   > emergency landing in April 2001.    Consider how
>   > differently it would have been handled if the
> spyplane
>   > had landed in a real friend like any North or
> South
>   > American country, European country, Australia,
> etc.
>   >
>   > CNN - "3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home in
>   > pieces"
>   >
>
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/
>   >
>   > Make no mistake.  China is not a friend of the
> US, and
>   > has the US locked in a death spiral.
>   >
>   > Best Regards,
>   >
>   > Peter G.
>   > Thailand
>   >
>   > PS.  Any news of your gasifier??  I'm very
> interested.
>   >
>   > --- Walt Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   >
>   > > At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote:
>   > > >Can someone please explain why it is that
> approx.
>   > > 70 to 80% (I think I am
>   > > >being a little too conservative with these
>   > > percentages) of the "items" for
>   > > >sale, at any given department store in
> America
>   > > today, are made in
>   > > >China?  This question has bothered me for
> years.
>   > >
>   > >          There are those who will tell you
> that
>   > > China declared economic war
>   > > on the US by first devaluing their currency,
> and
>   > > then pegging it to the
>   > > US$. The income gain from the resulting flood
> of
>   > > merchandise you've
>   > > described has enabled China to embark on a
> program
>   > > of acquiring key assets
>   > > in and around the US such as both ends of the
> Panama
>   > > canal, the largest
>   > > container trans-shipment facility in the
> Atlantic,
>   > > Global Crossing's fiber
>   > > optic network, etc.
>   > >
>   > >          China currently holds a half-trillion
> in US
>   > > securities, a holding
>   > > which could allow them to crash the dollar any
> time
>   > > they chose by dumping
>   > > those securities on the world market. That
> makes for
>   > > an impressive chip to
>   > > hold over Washington's head any time they want
> to
>   > > play hard ball. The sale
>   > > of an endless supply of cheap consumer goods
> through
>   > > Wal-Mart (they market
>   > > more than $10 billion a month of these goods)
> has
>   > > shifted control of the
>   > > dollar from Washington to Beijing.
>   > >
>   > >          China has also embarked on a program
> of
>   > > using those funds to buy
>   > > up blocks of strategic resources and
> technology. For
>   > > example, the super
>   > > magnets used in the servo motors of cruise
> missiles
>   > > used to be manufactured
>   > > in the US. The Chinese bought that plant,
> duplicated
>   > > it in China, and have
>   > > since begun the process of closing down the US
>   > > plant.
>   > >
>   > > Walt

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