From the US$2.00 paid to the Chinese contract manufacturers, the Reebok or Nikes are retailed for more than US$100.00. Who kept the profit? Let's be realistic. For all these products sold at Walmart, who kept those profits? The Chinese are just cheap labour and cheap electricity. Just because they also need oil to power their industry, to make all these cheap products for USA, doesn't justify making enemy out of them, like some USA media.
Cheap oil has powered the whole economy for donkey years and it is time to realise cheap oil cannot exist for obvious reasons. Oil exporters wanted more for their finite resources and they have realised they less they pumped the more they will get for their finite resources. If any country can be energy independent, they have nothing to fear. Biofuel is one way out. CS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? > I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in the U.S. > and I have some Chinese buddy engineers born in > mainland China. I also have some UK buddy engineers > born in the UK and others born in the US; I have > Nicaragua buddy engineers born in US and Nicaraguan > engineers born in Nicaraguan. I can say the same for > my buddies from Cameroon, Ireland, Ghana, U.K, Spain, > Argentina, Mexico. Some born here...some there. Some > of my buddies have a small business. ONe guy is a PhD > in power engineering and sells transormers to China > and also gets power products from China and sells them > to the US. They are merchants and simply are seeking > markets to sell their products (some green some not) > and also looking for ways to reduce cost. The > majority of my buddies don't have any thoughts saying > "let's wreck the economy" and "war is inevitable". > > Some countries still have their home-grown goods by > customer choice. For example, when I visited Madrid, > Spain and other parts of Spain it appears most of the > hard products are made locally because of the cultural > nuances of Spaniards - Made in Spain - is very > important to the national pride. > > So I think it is a very complex thing. I do think it > starts with the consumer and our pull and push effect > on suppliers and manufacturers. We should demand > quality...at a reaonable price. > > Organic foods, range free chicken, family wineries, > soy milk, clothes made at home, shoes made at home, > etc. It is a lost art to be an artisan and truly self > sufficient. > > That's my two cents. > > > > --- Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Hi CS ; > > > > > >Once again we are spiraling down into a right/wrong > > >debate. This is not the point. The point is that > > >China and America are not friends. There is a well > > >known saying even among higher Chinese politicians > > >that war with America is ineveitable. > > > > > >Please I don't say who is right or wrong. I jsut > > say > > >that trouble is coming. Walt's post lists some of > > the > > >possible problems when trouble developes. > > Absolutely > > >rtight on. > > > > But Walt's post is wrong about just who owns what > > (and never mind > > quite why) and CS's corrections are indeed correct. > > Helps to get at > > least some of the facts right first, eh? > > > > As for trouble being inevitable, I don't agree with > > that either, > > regardless of what the intentions might be (on both > > sides). > > > > An article titled "Slowly but steadily, India will > > overtake China" > > was published in the IHT about six months ago. It's > > discussed here, > > interesting: > > > > http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34917/1 > > > > Best > > > > Keith > > > > > > >Best Regards, > > > > > >Peter G. > > >Thailand > > > > > >--- csc-propulsion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > How would like if it is a Chinese warplane > > that > > > > lands in USA? How would > > > > like if Chinese warplanes flies everyday just > > > > outside the USA territorial > > > > water and takes aerial photographs at random? > > > > America media would rise up > > > > called it bloody espionage etc. But this is what > > USA > > > > is doing to China > > > > everyday and China has never protested unless > > you > > > > intrude into the airpsace > > > > with permission. So what makes Amercian more > > equal > > > > than others? Are you > > > > strong enough to give an honest answer? > > > > > > > > Be realistic. Ask your own Congressman what > > > > America is doing to others > > > > before saying what others are doing to USA. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Guag Meister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:51 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Walt ; > > > > > > > > > > Yes the potential for China to cause serious > > > > > disruption to the US economy is scary and > > > > increasing. > > > > > Lest anyone think that China is a 'friend" > > of > > > > the US, > > > > > look at how China handled the US spyplane > > > > accident and > > > > > emergency landing in April 2001. Consider > > how > > > > > differently it would have been handled if > > the > > > > spyplane > > > > > had landed in a real friend like any North > > or > > > > South > > > > > American country, European country, > > Australia, > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > CNN - "3 months on, U.S. spyplane heads home > > in > > > > > pieces" > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/07/02/china.us.spyplane.ap/ > > > > > > > > > > Make no mistake. China is not a friend of > > the > > > > US, and > > > > > has the US locked in a death spiral. > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Peter G. > > > > > Thailand > > > > > > > > > > PS. Any news of your gasifier?? I'm very > > > > interested. > > > > > > > > > > --- Walt Patrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > At 08:58 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote: > > > > > > >Can someone please explain why it is that > > > > approx. > > > > > > 70 to 80% (I think I am > > > > > > >being a little too conservative with > > these > > > > > > percentages) of the "items" for > > > > > > >sale, at any given department store in > > > > America > > > > > > today, are made in > > > > > > >China? This question has bothered me for > > > > years. > > > > > > > > > > > > There are those who will tell you > > > > that > > > > > > China declared economic war > > > > > > on the US by first devaluing their > > currency, > > > > and > > > > > > then pegging it to the > > > > > > US$. The income gain from the resulting > > flood > > > > of > > > > > > merchandise you've > > > > > > described has enabled China to embark on a > > > > program > > > > > > of acquiring key assets > > > > > > in and around the US such as both ends of > > the > > > > Panama > > > > > > canal, the largest > > > > > > container trans-shipment facility in the > > > > Atlantic, > > > > > > Global Crossing's fiber > > > > > > optic network, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > China currently holds a > > half-trillion > > > > in US > > > > > > securities, a holding > > > > > > which could allow them to crash the dollar > > any > > > > time > > > > > > they chose by dumping > > > > > > those securities on the world market. That > > > > makes for > > > > > > an impressive chip to > > > > > > hold over Washington's head any time they > > want > > > > to > > > > > > play hard ball. The sale > > > > > > of an endless supply of cheap consumer > > goods > > > > through > > > > > > Wal-Mart (they market > > > > > > more than $10 billion a month of these > > goods) > > > > has > > > > > > shifted control of the > > > > > > dollar from Washington to Beijing. > > > > > > > > > > > > China has also embarked on a > > program > > > > of > > > > > > using those funds to buy > > > > > > up blocks of strategic resources and > > > > technology. For > > > > > > example, the super > > > > > > magnets used in the servo motors of cruise > > > > missiles > > > > > > used to be manufactured > > > > > > in the US. The Chinese bought that plant, > > > > duplicated > > > > > > it in China, and have > > > > > > since begun the process of closing down > > the US > > > > > > plant. > > > > > > > > > > > > Walt > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Dress up your holiday email, Hollywood style. 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