I ask you Robert the same questions I have asked before and the answer never metalizes just a lot of BS that I don't know what I'm talking about. 1. Why did Shell Oil get 376 MPGs out of a 1959 Opel back in 1973? Please explain why, if not on account of lightening up the car and vaporizing the fuel as they attested to back than, why did they achieve this type of gas mileage? 2. If modern engines are so damn efficient, then why is there the need for a catalytic converter? Bonus question, why did the exhaust from our 1971 Datsun, we ran on vaporized gasoline smell identical to the exhaust from a propane powered car? Lastly robert luis rabello, Where in the past did we have any conversation having anything to do with this subject? I only posted this info here last week. I don't care how much you think you might know about propane it's pretty obvious that either you do not know anything about vaporized gasoline beyond whatever line you have been fed or Your just a dupe for the oil companies. Answer for me the two questions above. Global Climate change and starvation is here and only getting worse and if your not up to rolling up your sleeves and doing some positive actions to address these problems than stay the hell out of the way and quit you pompous pontificating.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert and benita Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 9:04 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vaporized gasoline engines work as proven totheworldby Shell Oil Company in 1973 Mike Pelly wrote: >Why does a gallon of liquid propane need to be pressurized at 172 PSI >to stay contained in liquid form and gasoline stays liquid at room temperature? > > Those are its physical properties. Asking this question with respect to internal combustion is a bit like asking why ice floats. It's a matter of density at pressure and temperature. >I use the example of propane to illustrate how a vapor mixes so >completely with air (unlike a sprayed liquid) There are many reasons >why propane and gasoline are different including their densities and >length of carbon chains. > Despite propane being a vapor at atmospheric pressure and ambient temperatures, there is still a finite amount of energy available in a given volume of liquid propane. It has a LOWER energy density than gasoline, hence, even though it's a vapor and mixes completely with air, propane delivers less energy per liter than gasoline. In fact, because gaseous fuels in general actually displace air in externally-mixed fuel management systems, propane normally delivers about 10% LESS power than gasoline. I'm writing this from many years of actual experience in burning propane as an automobile fuel. I've built engines for propane, too, and by virtue of squeezing the intake charge harder (higher compression pressure) I managed to equalize fuel economy between gasoline and propane in my old Pontiac sedan. The same technique can be used in ANY high octane fuel, though. Methane, ethanol, methanol also benefit from increased compression pressure. It has nothing to do with vaporized fuel, and the improvements are incremental, at best. We've been around this tree before. You vanish for awhile, then come back with the same claims for astonishing fuel efficiency based on vaporized gasoline, but you seem to lack understanding of how high pressure, computer-feedback fuel injection works. Internal combustion is a complex, dynamic process for certain, but at the end of all the analysis, there is very little energy remaining in the exhaust gases of a modern engine. robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" "The Long Journey" New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3060 (20080428) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 3060 (20080428) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com _______________________________________________ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/