Kirk, The point is not how many kWH in a gallon of gas, its how you end up burning that gallon of gas. You introduce it as a liquid or you introduce it in a gasoius form makes all the difference. Yes I know this is a serious List Kirk. So get serious and answer why Shell got 376MPG and why we need catalylic converters if gasoline burns so completely in a conventional gas engine but we do not need Cats on on propane engines?
-Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk McLoren Sent: Monday, April 28, 2008 8:18 AM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vaporized gasoline engines work as proventotheworldbyShell Oil Company in 1973 Just how many kW Hrs are in a gallon of gas Mike? These boys http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/Research.html say 37. Even at 10 times that - you are going to roll an Opel a mile on a kWHr let alone 10 miles? I bet you will be touting perpetual motion next. This is a serious list mike. Enough of these opium dreams. Kirk Mike Pelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sorry you had a hard time following the links Zeke, mayby your just not interested in reading what your finding out, for one reaon or another. Here are the links once again. I did check for you to make sure they worked. There might have been too many words there for you to read and I apologize for that but getting educated is sometimes a hard thing to do. http://www.ByronWine.com/files/1992%20vapor.pdf includes all the information one would ever need to design and build a vaporized gasoline fuel system. The 1959 Opel that got 376 MPGs back in 1973 and reported in the Febuary 20, 2008 'Seattle PI' newspaper is found at this link; http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/351903_needle20.html -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:57 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Vaporized gasoline engines work as proventotheworldby Shell Oil Company in 1973 On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Mike Pelly wrote: > come up with a solid > reason why Shell Oil was able to get 376MPGs (>7 times prius milage) > back in 1973. Were they? When I followed that link, I got a one page pdf which only seemed to contain the title page and endmost page of a paper... but it stated that they thought a 50% fuel efficiency improvement was possible -- of which 20% was from engine design changes -- reasonable, but, this is alot different than 376 mpg. Also, byronwine.com includes a bunch of stuff about running engines on water, which seriously hurts their credibility as a purveyor of actual information, unless someone can explain to me how the second law of thermodynamics allows extracting energy from water... even the websites on running your car on water can't get their chemistry right -- calling the mixture of hydrogen (H2) and oxygen (O2) gas generated by electrolysis HHO gas, as if they don't realize the difference between ions and molecules. Not saying that everything on there is bunk just because one thing is, but it doesn't lend credibility to the site. 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