Actually, each advent callendar could have a small "client" application.For instance, in jobeet, an affiliate website.
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:31, Sid Ferreira <sid....@gmail.com> wrote: > David: up! > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:29, david <da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk> wrote: > >> >> The forms side of things is complex and cumbersome - but mostly due to the >> nature of PHP itself. >> Lacking a decent WYSIWYG IDE does symfony and PHP in general a disservice >> - but the flip argument is that you're an engineer not a photoshop monkey. >> >> From the tutorial perspective Sid's right - there needs to be more - and >> probably a minimum of 3: >> 1) Simple, uncomplicated - show the speed and power of sf >> 2) Jobeet - simple but has the background >> 3) Complex - detailed >> >> The API documentation of SF should be linked back to the tutorials - >> giving examples of usage and allowing people to refer to examples. >> >> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:20:45 +0200, Sid Ferreira <sid....@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > It kinda makes sense... but is also hard how to handle that... Maybe a >> > small >> > intro about Doctrine, but you must remember that using >> > About forms, well, they are classes, if you dig up you find everything, >> > but >> > without any IDE, it's madness... >> > >> > Maybe a 'Symfony for Dummies' was needed, in order to hookup people that >> > doesn't have the minimum knowledge (as Prieto just said) >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:04, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> >> >> Hi Fabien, >> >> >> >> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters >> >> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the >> >> developer >> >> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine >> >> ORM >> >> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without >> >> Symfony. >> >> >> >> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations >> >> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. >> >> >> >> WBR, >> >> Ghost3D >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- >> >> project.com> wrote: >> >> > You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not >> >> > before. >> >> > >> >> > Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That >> >> will >> >> > help us improve the framework. >> >> > >> >> > For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, >> we >> >> > removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. >> >> > >> >> > Thanks, >> >> > Fabien >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Fabien Potencier >> >> > Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer >> >> > sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org >> >> > Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 >> >> > >> >> > bghost wrote: >> >> > >> >> > > First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, >> >> > > because I follow its development from the first version. But I >> think >> >> > > it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration >> >> > > with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration >> >> > > files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that >> the >> >> > > programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework >> >> > > than with the real problem. >> >> > >> >> > > P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. >> >> > >> >> > > WBR, >> >> > > Ghost3D >> >> > >> >> > > On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <sid.bacht...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively >> simple >> >> > >>> application. >> >> > >> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it >> >> too >> >> > >> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. >> >> > >> >> > >> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find >> >> > >> great leverage in using Symfony. >> >> > >> >> > >> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to >> >> build? >> >> > >> >> > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively >> simple >> >> > >>> application. >> >> > >>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. >> >> > >>> So, Symfony - Goodbye >> >> > >> -- >> >> > >> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz >> >> > >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Sidney G B Ferreira > Desenvolvedor Web > > -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
