The forms side of things is complex and cumbersome - but mostly due to the nature of PHP itself. Lacking a decent WYSIWYG IDE does symfony and PHP in general a disservice - but the flip argument is that you're an engineer not a photoshop monkey.
From the tutorial perspective Sid's right - there needs to be more - and probably a minimum of 3: 1) Simple, uncomplicated - show the speed and power of sf 2) Jobeet - simple but has the background 3) Complex - detailed The API documentation of SF should be linked back to the tutorials - giving examples of usage and allowing people to refer to examples. On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:20:45 +0200, Sid Ferreira <sid....@gmail.com> wrote: > It kinda makes sense... but is also hard how to handle that... Maybe a > small > intro about Doctrine, but you must remember that using > About forms, well, they are classes, if you dig up you find everything, > but > without any IDE, it's madness... > > Maybe a 'Symfony for Dummies' was needed, in order to hookup people that > doesn't have the minimum knowledge (as Prieto just said) > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:04, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> Hi Fabien, >> >> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters >> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the >> developer >> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine >> ORM >> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without >> Symfony. >> >> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations >> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. >> >> WBR, >> Ghost3D >> >> >> >> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- >> project.com> wrote: >> > You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not >> > before. >> > >> > Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That >> will >> > help us improve the framework. >> > >> > For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, we >> > removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Fabien >> > >> > -- >> > Fabien Potencier >> > Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer >> > sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org >> > Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 >> > >> > bghost wrote: >> > >> > > First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, >> > > because I follow its development from the first version. But I think >> > > it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration >> > > with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration >> > > files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that the >> > > programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework >> > > than with the real problem. >> > >> > > P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. >> > >> > > WBR, >> > > Ghost3D >> > >> > > On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <sid.bacht...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple >> > >>> application. >> > >> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it >> too >> > >> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. >> > >> > >> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find >> > >> great leverage in using Symfony. >> > >> > >> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to >> build? >> > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple >> > >>> application. >> > >>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. >> > >>> So, Symfony - Goodbye >> > >> -- >> > >> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz >> > >> > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
