David: up! On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:29, david <da...@inspiredthinking.co.uk> wrote:
> > The forms side of things is complex and cumbersome - but mostly due to the > nature of PHP itself. > Lacking a decent WYSIWYG IDE does symfony and PHP in general a disservice > - but the flip argument is that you're an engineer not a photoshop monkey. > > From the tutorial perspective Sid's right - there needs to be more - and > probably a minimum of 3: > 1) Simple, uncomplicated - show the speed and power of sf > 2) Jobeet - simple but has the background > 3) Complex - detailed > > The API documentation of SF should be linked back to the tutorials - > giving examples of usage and allowing people to refer to examples. > > On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:20:45 +0200, Sid Ferreira <sid....@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > It kinda makes sense... but is also hard how to handle that... Maybe a > > small > > intro about Doctrine, but you must remember that using > > About forms, well, they are classes, if you dig up you find everything, > > but > > without any IDE, it's madness... > > > > Maybe a 'Symfony for Dummies' was needed, in order to hookup people that > > doesn't have the minimum knowledge (as Prieto just said) > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 12:04, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> > >> Hi Fabien, > >> > >> - With the introduction of the Doctrine ORM, number of parameters > >> and configuration options are increased manifold. Therefore, the > >> developer > >> must first learn all about the Doctrine ORM. Is that good? Doctrine > >> ORM > >> already providing a fairly good possibilities and options without > >> Symfony. > >> > >> - Symfony WEB forms are a bit too complicated and their relations > >> with the rest of a Symfony application is often unclear. > >> > >> WBR, > >> Ghost3D > >> > >> > >> > >> On Sep 18, 4:43 pm, Fabien Potencier <fabien.potenc...@symfony- > >> project.com> wrote: > >> > You say that symfony became too complicated, which implies it was not > >> > before. > >> > > >> > Can you give us some examples of what became more complicated? That > >> will > >> > help us improve the framework. > >> > > >> > For instance, we have less and less configuration files. Since 1.0, we > >> > removed a lot of them, and removed some parameters also. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Fabien > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Fabien Potencier > >> > Sensio CEO - symfony lead developer > >> > sensiolabs.com | symfony-project.org | fabien.potencier.org > >> > Tél: +33 1 40 99 80 80 > >> > > >> > bghost wrote: > >> > > >> > > First, I would like to say that Symfony framework is not too bad, > >> > > because I follow its development from the first version. But I think > >> > > it became too complicated because it is evident exaggeration > >> > > with the introduction of countless parameters and configuration > >> > > files in order to automate all possible tasks. This entails that the > >> > > programmer spends more time dealing with the Symfony framework > >> > > than with the real problem. > >> > > >> > > P.S. I did nothing special but just followed the Jobeet tutorial. > >> > > >> > > WBR, > >> > > Ghost3D > >> > > >> > > On Sep 18, 4:24 pm, Sid Bachtiar <sid.bacht...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple > >> > >>> application. > >> > >> If you're just learning Symfony, then yes of course you'll find it > >> too > >> > >> much effort. This is true with any other framework/technology. > >> > > >> > >> But for those of us who have invested our time in Symfony, we find > >> > >> great leverage in using Symfony. > >> > > >> > >> So what is the relatively simple application you're trying to > >> build? > >> > > >> > >> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 1:58 AM, bghost <bggho...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > > >> > >>> It is necessary to invest so much effort to do a relatively simple > >> > >>> application. > >> > >>> Productivity and profitability of such work is very questionable. > >> > >>> So, Symfony - Goodbye > >> > >> -- > >> > >> Blue Horn Ltd - System Developmenthttp://bluehorn.co.nz > >> > > >> > > > > > > > -- > Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > > > > -- Sidney G B Ferreira Desenvolvedor Web --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "symfony users" group. To post to this group, send email to symfony-users@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to symfony-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/symfony-users?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
