Oh come on Brian, at least try to debate intelligently.

Of course it's true that no race can be run in zero time. Limits are above
zero time, we can all agree on that. Clearly, as we reach the point of
maximum potential, we will see diminishing returns. As was elegantly shown
to us all, there is no evidence of diminishing returns in the event you
chose to highlight, the 10k. The record has come down (in fits and starts)
by a lap or so every 20 years. That's a rolling stat of course - every year
we can compare 20 year periods going back as far as we like and measure the
diminishing returns. When we can show that the record is improving by a
smaller margin with each succeeding 20 yr period, we'll be able to make some
intelligent predictions (rather than simple assertions, which is all you've
managed so far).

There are two major objections to your limits argument:

1. For it to be right, literally every single distance runner has to be on
drugs. There are only two statements about drugs in sport that we know are
rubbish - that everyone is clean, and that everyone is dirty. If even one
athlete has been competitive while clean (ie run say 13:00 and 27:10) then
your argument falls down.

2. You have to show that we have ALREADY REACHED the natural limits of human
potential and that improvements since then are solely down to drugs. In
fact, you have to argue that we reached human limits before the advent of
EPO, ie in the late 80s. Damn, if I'd realised that I'd have paid better
attention!! If even one athlete can be shown to have exceeded late 80s
standards while clean, again your argument falls down.

Most of us completly buy your contention that EPO and other drugs are rife
at all levels of the sport. You do not need to use these patently absurd
arguments to make your point.

Justin




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