So far we have discussed pros and cons of
landuse={governmental|public_administrative|civic}
What about landuse=civil ?
Oxford defines as attribute "of or relating to ordinary citizens and their
concerns,
as distinct from military or ecclesiastical matters", and
in law as "relating to private relations between members of a community;
noncriminal"
Thus it includes civil government, civil services, civil affairs, civil law,
civil defence.
Thus land occupied by tax/pension/immigration offices, ministries, parliaments
and their subsidiaries.
It would semantically exclude military, religious, judical/prison areas.
By tag definition we can clarify that we want to exclude emergency services,
hospitals, educational institutions which are not exclusively provided by the
state.
I'm not sure yet if it should include embassies, or not, as they refer to a
foreign
state, in contrast to 'civil' implying 'domestic, interior, home, national'. But
as in amenity={hospital|school}, amenity=embassy can be applied to an area
without hassle.
tom
John Willis wrote on 2014-10-07 23:47:
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On Oct 7, 2014, at 10:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2014-10-07 14:57 GMT+02:00 johnw :
For example, I'm a foreign resident in Japan. I have to visit the regional
offices to renew my visa every year or so. It's always a busy place people have
to find. It's not at the city hall, the airport or a border - but it is a
really important
government office building that needs to labeled differently than a
standard office building.
I agree that it would be desirable to have more detail on government offices, e.g. being
able to distinguish the tax office from the immigration office etc. I'd see this under
the office tag and not in "landuse".
I don't want to add any detail through the landuse - beyond tagging their land.
A single tag that can be used to marking the land for all of these services
seems pretty straightforward.
This is an enormous pile of work to do, as there are many different kind of
these, and the detailed structure is different in every country.
This is why a single landuse that is an umbrella for these services is an easy
solution - it separates out the government services, but leaves the function
tagging to other schemes, like landuse=retail tells you nothing about what is
sold - just that
"something" is sold there.
I view these buildings as a completely separate class of buildings - so I want
a new major landuse class, just as an industrial plant and a mall are big, but
viewed and tagged with a different land use. A regional capital building is a
similar size, and
similarly in a different class than existing landuse values.
A seperate subtag, where all the different building definitions can be put
(beyond the ones already existing) or just more definitions thrown into amenity
- either way I'm okay with it - but they all need a distinct landuse to sit on.
On the other hand, the idea of having a wastewater plant, a fire station, a
court and a federal ministry categorized the same civic landuse doesn't seem
very appealing to me.
If you want to slice out emergency services (police/fire) and judicial, that's
fine. Give them their own umbrella landuses, and let the existing tagging
scheme describe their function,
The wastewater treatment plant is still industrial - as is the incinerator, but
the city's water board office, usually part of the city's main office, would be
civic. To me, civic is a shortening of civic administration.
We recognize places that provide services to citizens or offices of those
services directly with separate tags - there are tags for community centers,
rec centers, city halls, dmvs, and other places that the public visit regularly
that are part of the
civil government (not military) - but there is no good landuse for them, as
there is for industrial/retail/commercial. There are several classes of
buildings still without seperate tags - ones that get their own label on the
map, a guidepost on the road,
and are visited by the public as frequently as a trip to city hall - but no tag
labels them yet (tax/pension/immigration/etc). I want to show their class
through a landuse, and their function with some other tag.
I believe that "civic" might be too generic (but maybe I just don't understand
this right, hence the question for what is included and excluded).
Questions always help me clarify my thinking, and understand yours as well.
Thank you for the questions. My idea right now is an umbrella landuse for these
offices/services that don't fit in commercial, and a separate subtag/additional
amenity tags for
function, however people want to do that.
cheers,
Martin
Javbw
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