I don't see as many issues in your exemple... If École or Musée is part of the name, I don't see why we shall invent a truncated name. It's not because the type is part of the name that we shall remove it.

Let's take a more famous example: 'Arc de Triomphe' is the name of a landmark in Paris but it is also an 'Arc' (Arch in English). Same for 'Tour Eiffel' (which is a Tour, i.e. a Tower, but also an antenna). I don't see any solution in renaming them Eiffel or Triomphe. Instead we use the name for the 'name' and add their types (a Tower, an arch, a landmark, an antenna...) in attributes.

And if one needs to list all Lakes in a given country then you have your answer: If it is on a geological basis, then he will look for attributes others than 'name'. If it is on a 'per use' basis, i.e. he wants to know which water area is called lake no matter if it is really one or not, then he will look in the name considering all possible translations. If I live next to a place called 'Hudson Bay' then I put name='Hudson Bay' even if some may argue it may not be a Bay.

Consequently I don't see a real issue there.

Yours

LeTopographeFou
De: yauge...@gmail.com
Envoyé: 5 décembre 2018 7:37 PM
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Objet: Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

Martin,
this is already the case. At least it should be like this, if you see places where the name tag is abused for descriptions you should fix it. I admit, it is not always possible to clearly tell which is the correct name, for some kind of things, not even in the real world.
At least in OSM you can add alternative names, generically or with specific meaning (loc_name, short_name, etc.)
The name tag is abused very often and systematically. Let's take at look at this spot in the centre of Paris
You can see category names displayed everywhere there, e.g. musium, hotel, school (in French).
As a result when you query OSM database for some category items you have to apply algorithms for clearing category names from the name field to get just proper names.

Regards,
Eugene


ср, 5 дек. 2018 г. в 20:25, Martin Koppenhoefer <dieterdre...@gmail.com>:


Am Mi., 5. Dez. 2018 um 16:50 Uhr schrieb Eugene Podshivalov <yauge...@gmail.com>:
I invision the following solution here.

* First of all, the "name" tag should containt proper name only.



this is already the case. At least it should be like this, if you see places where the name tag is abused for descriptions you should fix it. I admit, it is not always possible to clearly tell which is the correct name, for some kind of things, not even in the real world.
At least in OSM you can add alternative names, generically or with specific meaning (loc_name, short_name, etc.)

 

* Secondly, introduce a new tag for the real life language specific category name. I know that "name:prefix/postfix" key was originally introduced for another purpose but it can be a candidate here as well. Note that in some languages the place of category name relative to the proper name matters.



I agree this could make sense, I am doing it for places where you can eat with this tag and local values:

I would not expect it useful for any kind of things, but there are fields with cultural specialties where I agree that it would be hard to agree on detailed categories on a global level, and still it might not make sense outside of a specific cultural context anyway.


Cheers,
Martin
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