Honestly I don't think it makes sense for OSM to have names at all on objects which has a Wikidata reference. We are just too small a community to keep this updated and it has little value to duplicate to the efforts made by others. If any names I suggest we have a bot autoupdating all name tags according to the values in Wikidata. If there is no Wikidata item it should be found/created. It really is'nt hard to populate a map with geographical data from OSM and query the names the user wants to see from WD. This offloads a huge burden as I see it. All our tools that currently invites our users to include a name could be adapted so that the user is aware that OSM is about geodata and names are for WD and best stored/updated there. If we allow a name to be set only when no qid we avoid the bulk of these problems. When a qid is set a bot could remove all names for languages already present in WD.
On March 25, 2020 10:45:03 AM GMT+01:00, Andrew Hain <andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >Why on earth would we not (excluding exceptional copyright issues) want >to have lots of different name:XX tags? > >-- >Andrew > >________________________________ >From: Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> >Sent: 25 March 2020 09:26 >To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools ><tagging@openstreetmap.org> >Subject: [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags? > >Hi, > >the "name:xx" tags are something of an exception in OSM because while >we >defer to "local knowledge" as the highest-ranking source normally, this >is not being done for name:xx tags. It is possible for no single >citizen >of the city of Karlsruhe to know its Russian name, but still a Russian >name could exist. Who is the highest-ranking source for that? > >My guess is that about 5% of name:xx tags in OSM actually represent a >unique name in its own right; all others are either copies of the name >tag ("this city does not have its own name in language XX but I want >every city to have a name:xx tag so I'll just copy the name tag"), or >transliterations (or, worst case, even literal translations). > >A while ago we had a longer discussion about Esperanto names; in that >discussion, it was questioned whether Esperanto could be in the name >tag >but nobody disputed that adding name:eo tags is ok, even though >Esperanto is an invented (or "constructed") language. > >Yesterday someone added a few dozen Klingon names to countries in OSM. >I >have reverted that because of a copyright issue, but I think we also >need to discuss which languages we want to accept for name:xx tags. > >In my opinion, a name:xx tag should only be added if you can >demonstrate >that people natively speaking the living language xx are actually using >this name for this entity. I think we have a very unhealthy inflation >of >names in OSM that are added by "single-purpose mappers" - they come in, >stick a name:my-favourite-language tag onto everything, and go away >again. Nobody knows if these names are even correct, and nobody cares >for their maintenance. The country North Macedonia changed its name >almost one year ago, yet roughly half of its ~ 170 name tags are still >what they were before this change. Nobody cares; these names suggest a >data richness that is not backed up by an actual living community that >cares for them. > >What are your opinions on which languages should be accepted in name >tags? What do you think about > >* niche constructed languages (say, FredLang which has 2 words I >invented just now) >* popular constructed languages (Klingon, Elvish) - note place names in >these languages will often be algorithmically derived from the English >or local name >* "serious" constructed languages (Esperanto) >* languages that once existed but are not natively spoken any more >(Roman) >* languages that are natively spoken but their speakers do not have >their own name for the entity in question (instead they use the same >name the locals use, possibly transcribed into a different alphabet) >* ... > >Or if you don't have the time to think about this in detail, just >answer >the question: tlhIngan Hol - Hlja' or ghobe'? > >Bye >Frederik > >-- >Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" >E008°23'33" > >_______________________________________________ >Tagging mailing list >Tagging@openstreetmap.org >https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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