Note that lots of the wikidata names are nonsense and are simply derived from the wikipedia page name (which a wp page has to have, but it doesn't imply that the object actually has a name in the language of the wikipedia you are looking at). For example the municipality I live in has a German and a Swiss-German name, it -doesn't- have names in any of the other 31 languages that are listed.
Simon Am 25.03.2020 um 11:00 schrieb pang...@riseup.net: > Honestly I don't think it makes sense for OSM to have names at all on > objects which has a Wikidata reference. We are just too small a > community to keep this updated and it has little value to duplicate to > the efforts made by others. > If any names I suggest we have a bot autoupdating all name tags > according to the values in Wikidata. If there is no Wikidata item it > should be found/created. > It really is'nt hard to populate a map with geographical data from OSM > and query the names the user wants to see from WD. > This offloads a huge burden as I see it. > All our tools that currently invites our users to include a name could > be adapted so that the user is aware that OSM is about geodata and > names are for WD and best stored/updated there. > If we allow a name to be set only when no qid we avoid the bulk of > these problems. > When a qid is set a bot could remove all names for languages already > present in WD. > > On March 25, 2020 10:45:03 AM GMT+01:00, Andrew Hain > <andrewhain...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > > Why on earth would we not (excluding exceptional copyright issues) > want to have lots of different name:XX tags? > > -- > Andrew > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Frederik Ramm <frede...@remote.org> > *Sent:* 25 March 2020 09:26 > *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools > <tagging@openstreetmap.org> > *Subject:* [Tagging] Which languages are admissible for name:xx tags? > > Hi, > > the "name:xx" tags are something of an exception in OSM because > while we > defer to "local knowledge" as the highest-ranking source normally, > this > is not being done for name:xx tags. It is possible for no single > citizen > of the city of Karlsruhe to know its Russian name, but still a Russian > name could exist. Who is the highest-ranking source for that? > > My guess is that about 5% of name:xx tags in OSM actually represent a > unique name in its own right; all others are either copies of the name > tag ("this city does not have its own name in language XX but I want > every city to have a name:xx tag so I'll just copy the name tag"), or > transliterations (or, worst case, even literal translations). > > A while ago we had a longer discussion about Esperanto names; in that > discussion, it was questioned whether Esperanto could be in the > name tag > but nobody disputed that adding name:eo tags is ok, even though > Esperanto is an invented (or "constructed") language. > > Yesterday someone added a few dozen Klingon names to countries in > OSM. I > have reverted that because of a copyright issue, but I think we also > need to discuss which languages we want to accept for name:xx tags. > > In my opinion, a name:xx tag should only be added if you can > demonstrate > that people natively speaking the living language xx are actually > using > this name for this entity. I think we have a very unhealthy > inflation of > names in OSM that are added by "single-purpose mappers" - they > come in, > stick a name:my-favourite-language tag onto everything, and go away > again. Nobody knows if these names are even correct, and nobody cares > for their maintenance. The country North Macedonia changed its name > almost one year ago, yet roughly half of its ~ 170 name tags are still > what they were before this change. Nobody cares; these names suggest a > data richness that is not backed up by an actual living community that > cares for them. > > What are your opinions on which languages should be accepted in name > tags? What do you think about > > * niche constructed languages (say, FredLang which has 2 words I > invented just now) > * popular constructed languages (Klingon, Elvish) - note place > names in > these languages will often be algorithmically derived from the English > or local name > * "serious" constructed languages (Esperanto) > * languages that once existed but are not natively spoken any more > (Roman) > * languages that are natively spoken but their speakers do not have > their own name for the entity in question (instead they use the same > name the locals use, possibly transcribed into a different alphabet) > * ... > > Or if you don't have the time to think about this in detail, just > answer > the question: tlhIngan Hol - Hlja' or ghobe'? > > Bye > Frederik > > > _______________________________________________ > Tagging mailing list > Tagging@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging
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