I think if something is tagged highway=path then data consumers should
be able to expect that regular people can walk on it without having to
look at an ever growing zoo of secondary tags.
Data consumers, like all of us, have limited capacity. We make their
lives much easier if primary tags (like highway=path) mean something
(one can walk here) and secondary tags are there to explain the details,
not to say "this primary tag doesn't mean what you think it means".
I'm a mapper, not a data consumer, but I think we should try to be as
nice as possible to those who make use of our mapping work. I found this
talk very instructive, especially around minutes 30-42:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=660lvPS06SI
I think a new generic highway=<some_new_value> is a very good idea. It
would encompass any way which requires at least one of these:
- special skill
- extraordinary courage
- special equipment.
This would encompass
- via ferratas
- demanding or dangerous hikes
- climbing routes
- anything else?
To me, highway=scramble seems a good solution for this, but I'm not a
native English speaker, so there may be better terms that I'm not a
aware of.
On 17/09/2022 01:35, Georg wrote:
Dear martianfreeloader,
you wrote Thu Sep 15 2022 00:27:11 GMT+0200
I am a hiker and a climber, but I made experiences similar to Peter's on
more than one occasion. I have been led along ways by osmand which were
mapped as highway=path; obviously by other climbers. They were
definitely not suitable for folks without climbing experience that want
to go on a physically demanding hike
Yet, these kind of paths/scrambles are
often not considered "real climbing" in the narrower sense (mountaineers
would usually still go without rope).
from your description, I've the impression you're less seeking
information specifically about scrambling (using hands) but more how
demanding and dangerous a way is. Both is reflected by SAC hiking grade;
T5 and T6 seem matching very well the ways you describe – too easy to be
listed anywhere as a climbing route, so listed as hiking path while
bearing too high falling risk for quite a share of hikers.
In case my impression is correct, do you remember any of these ways and
could check a hand full whether they are carrying SAC T grade? Then,
this tag "just" needs to be considered by data consumers, i.e. humans
shall set desired maximum hike difficulty and routers shall not suggest
any paths that are more difficult. That works very reliable in BRouter,
but I did not try OsmAnd much for that purpose.
In case my impression is not correct, could you please tell with other
words how your experiences link to highway=scrambling?
Best regards,
Georg
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