Generally, I would suggest a node at the hub of the farm (usually in the vicinity of the main residence) place=farm name=* operator=*
In regard to farm boundaries, I think it has been OSM practice not to map lot/property boundaries. Most farms today don't employ many people and employees frequently live in nearby towns etc. so place=farm is appropriate. In more isolated areas, some very large farms may still accommodate workers and sometimes their families - in such cases place=isolated_dwelling might be appropriate as I think it implies a larger population than a farm. I'd suggest that it has many years since Australian farms had enough residents to be considered as hamlets. In fact, increasingly farms have no residents. In some cases multiple farms are operated from a single homestead but, if each farm is separately named, I think each should still be separately mapped. Farms with animals such as dairy cattle or poultry etc may need people on site overnight but grazing cattle and crops such as cotton/wheat/rice etc may not need people in the immediate vicinity - and security cameras and alarms are increasingly used so that people can go to off-farm homes at night. The "homestead" may become an administrative office plus staff facilities when there is no-one resident on the property. In some cases, where public roads go through farms (usually cattle grids and signs at the respective boundaries), I have added is_in:farm=* on the section of road that is within the particular farm, but the "is_in" tag seems now less used than in the past. Perhaps there is a case for mapping lot/property boundaries where the properties are very large farms but I will leave that for others to advocate. In South Australia's pastoral district, each farm has its own "suburb" boundaries in the official government suburb/locality database - but I am not aware of any farm boundaries designated in this way in any other state. On Fri, 22 Apr 2022, at 3:27 PM, Bob Cameron wrote: > Remote areas and larger farms generally have been troubling me too > Graeme. I make no distinction about numbers of people, just a > landuse=farm node. (so I copied a very prolific mapper!) Recently I > noted that landuse:farm has been deprecated and to use > landuse:farmland, but that complains about being a node. There is no > easy way to define a farm boundary. I think in terms of the mailbox, > driveway and largest concentration of activity being the node centre. > > And the name is the farm name, not the house name.. maybe! > > Remote cattle stations can support an extended family (in more than one > homestead) and other many onsite (staff) people. Are the working farm > staff include in any people sizing calculations? ouch! > > Personally I don't think it a good idea to tag a farm that creates > commercial income with any notion of the number of people. It gets a > bit blurry when it is an unusual group like a religious order or non > profit retreat, but they already have other tags. > > Cheers Bob > > On 22/4/22 14:55, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: >> Also bringing discussion out here from Discord. >> >> An anonymous user is hitting Notes with quite a few entries yesterday to say >> that remote homesteads are incorrectly tagged as hamlets eg >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/3145380, but looking at this particular >> place >> https://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?node=1829712552#map=17/-21.96106/148.80882, >> I'd say that "hamlet" was probably correct in that there could well be a >> couple of families living there? >> >> Other suggestions that have been made are place=isolated_dwelling or >> place=farm. >> >> Bit of a grey area, I guess? Isolated-dwelling says 1-2 families only, >> hamlet says 100-200 people, while place=farm says "a family of farmers". >> Guess it really depends on the particular property involved, which would >> require detailed local knowledge? >> >> Thoughts? >> >> Thanks >> >> Graeme >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-au mailing list >> Talk-au@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au > _______________________________________________ > Talk-au mailing list > Talk-au@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au _______________________________________________ Talk-au mailing list Talk-au@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-au
