I havent yet heard back from the user, maybe someone else wants to give it a try?
Sam On 2/26/10, Adam Dunn <dunna...@gmail.com> wrote: > Found an instance where OSM spelling doesn't agree with NRN spelling, but > does with other map vendors, submitted by the above person. In Valemount, > BC, NRN has a road in triangular shape called Beavan Crescent, while 8th > Avenue terminates at Ash Street. The above person got the correct triangular > shape, but misspelled the road as Bevan Crescent. Interestingly, all of > Google, Bing, Yahoo and Mapquest agree with the user's spelling and conflict > with NRN spelling, but they all conflict with NRN/user's geometry. > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.830154&lon=-119.256376&zoom=18&layers=B000FTF > (OSM map will be changing soon due to import, so may change by the time you > see this). > http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=52.830277,-119.255911&spn=0.002314,0.006968&t=h&z=18&lci=com.panoramio.all > http://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=52.830270779110165~-119.25589308142662&lvl=18&sty=r&where1=Valemount%2C%20BC > http://ca.maps.yahoo.com/#mvt=m&lat=52.830162&lon=-119.256176&zoom=18 > http://www.mapquest.com/mq/8-62utTxKQKPkU > > Meanwhile, Whitepages confirms the NRN spelling of the road. > > http://www.whitepages.com/search/FindNeighbors?street=830+beavan+crescent&where=Valemount%2C+BC > > It's hard to say who's correct in this situation. Would be nice to have more > mappers on the ground who can go to the road and look at the street sign. > Perhaps a misspell in the sign led to the mapping companies differing from > NRN? > > Adam > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Bégin, Daniel < > daniel.be...@rncan-nrcan.gc.ca> wrote: > >> Hi Sam, >> >> you wrote "And the other solution is to be copying directly from the NRCan >> paper map sheets". Well, it is almost true if you are not concerned by the >> accuracy. >> >> But if you are, you must know that between 2003 and 2008, 9121 datasets >> were modified to fit the GeoBase alignment Layer. >> >> http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/imagery/landsat/description.html >> >> It improved the data (Canvec) accuracy to better than 30 meters for 93% of >> the files - average accuracy of 22 meters. In some area the displacement >> was up to 1200 meters ! >> >> Where is the problem? The data is now more accurate but the corresponding >> paper maps have not been reprinted (.pdf) and are still affected by >> accuracy >> problems! >> >> BTW, if you are right about the data source you mentionned in "More Google >> Copying" tread - it could have been from NTDB data origionally - it shows >> what you will get in pdf's. >> >> Daniel >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto: >> talk-ca-boun...@openstreetmap.org] *On Behalf Of *Sam Vekemans >> *Sent:* 21 février 2010 20:17 >> *To:* Dan Putler >> *Cc:* Talk-CA OpenStreetMap; Sam Dyck >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Talk-ca] More Google Copying >> >> Hi, >> Yup, i just sent off a nice message. Hopefully it will be recieved. I'll >> let you know if i get a responce back. >> >> On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Dan Putler >> <dan.put...@sauder.ubc.ca>wrote: >> >>> Could the data be from the StatsCan RNF? That would explain the geometry >>> being off, while having street names on the ways. >>> >>> Maybe? >> Then if that's true... then i think it's fine what the user is doing. >> Its still improving the map (from a blank map). >> Once the NRCan data is available, then more work is needed (for everywhere >> for all the features). But again it's to improve the map. So the fact >> that the geometry is off. We need to ask, how much off is it? >> ... if it's within 10meters, then it's still acceptable (as thats the GPS >> standard, when no other sources are available). >> >> Since GeoBase roads just has the basic linework is available. The >> solution >> would be to also convert the GeoBaseNRN data for Manitoba, then have the >> .osm files open in JOSM & adjust the OSM data to fit the GeoBase road >> network geometry. >> And the other solution is to be copying directly from the NRCan paper map >> sheets (available as PDFfiles). they just need to be alligned with some >> identifing points (the sheets have corner coordinates on it) and matched >> to >> JOSM points. (i used Garmin MapSource to make a waypoint at the exact >> corners of the sheet to get it lined up) >> >> A manual process, but if it's done by local people while adding more >> details, it shouldn't be that hard. >> >> Cheers, >> Sam >> >> >>> On Sun, 2010-02-21 at 16:34 -0800, Adam Dunn wrote: >>> > The NRN site confirms that names are not available in Manitoba (NRN >>> > for that province is on version 3) [1]. Sam, maybe you should send a >>> > nice email explaining that a blank map is better than an illegal one. >>> > This person has made edits to my hometown that I basically had to >>> > revert because the geometry was way off. Don't know what his source >>> > is... >>> > >>> > [1] http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/data/nrn/status.html >>> > >>> > Adam >>> > >>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Sam Dyck <samueld...@gmail.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > About an hour ago he/she was editing in Saskatoon, and has >>> > done a lot of work in Rural Manitoba to. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Sam Vekemans >>> > <acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Not sure if this link works >>> > >>> http://www.itoworld.com/product/osm/map?area=1372:7&show=users&sort=total-&colour=date:30 >>> > But you can see whats going on in the area.. >>> > (or just log in and zoom to the area to find the >>> > mappers) >>> > >>> > >>> http://picasaweb.google.ca/lh/photo/Orkp7E40gO0fwyJ8AKlIZQ?feat=directlink >>> > >>> > Ya, it seems like alot of work has been done >>> > reciently. >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Sam >>> > >>> > >>> > Twitter: @Acrosscanada >>> > Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com >>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans >>> > Skype: samvekemans >>> > OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org >>> > @Acrosscanadatrails >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Sam Dyck >>> > <samueld...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > I did, Geobase doesn't even have the street >>> > and lacks street names in Manitoba. (at least >>> > this is the case in the viewer. The Geobase >>> > data in Winnipeg appears to be out of date by >>> > at least 14 years in some cases. >>> > But yes, a mapping party would be a good idea, >>> > any other Winnipegers on this list? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Sam Vekemans >>> > <acrosscanadatra...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Thanks for sharing. >>> > The user seems to be doing alot of >>> > great work. >>> > Did you cross-check with the GeoBase >>> > data? >>> > Im not sure what the spelling of it is >>> > in there. >>> > >>> > If anyone is in Winnipeg, perhaps a >>> > couch mapping party is needed? >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > Sam >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Sam >>> > Dyck <samueld...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > So I just got a job that >>> > involves entering addresses >>> > into Google Maps (don't ask), >>> > one of these streets, Drobot >>> > Place (all address in >>> > winnipeg), Google has either >>> > deliberately or accidentally >>> > named Drobol Place (here, >>> > compare Yahoo, Bing, City of >>> > Winnipeg Assesment, Google >>> > Street View (Needs Flash)). >>> > OSM makes the same mistake as >>> > Google, which leads me to >>> > beileve that the street and >>> > others were copied from >>> > Google. I really hate telling >>> > people that I caught them >>> > "cheating." (I'm sure it was >>> > an honest mistake) Could >>> > someone please contact the >>> > editor responsible (you can >>> > look him/her up, I don't want >>> > to name names. I would be >>> > willing to help with any >>> > followup and cleanup, and you >>> > can give them my username >>> > (sammuell) if you wish, I just >>> > can't bring myself to send a >>> > message explaining just how I >>> > caught them. >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > Sam >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ >>> > Talk-ca mailing list >>> > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> > >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Talk-ca mailing list >>> > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Talk-ca mailing list >>> > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> -- >>> Dan Putler >>> Sauder School of Business >>> University of British Columbia >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > -- Twitter: @Acrosscanada Blog: http://Acrosscanadatrails.blogspot.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/sam.vekemans Skype: samvekemans OpenStreetMap IRC: http://irc.openstreetmap.org @Acrosscanadatrails _______________________________________________ Talk-ca mailing list Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca
