To answer you question about who would organise the tasking manager, I'm willing to do so.
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > A couple of comments: > > 1. Pierre Beland <https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s> has identified > 95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets. > https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321 We would > need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most mapping and they have their > own agendas and reasons for mapping. They are more likely to throw their > weight behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure this is. > > 2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a mapathon. > https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg as you can see in my opinion > the quality is not suitable for Stats Canada's use. Some buildings are > grouped together with others as a single building, others are mapped the > wrong shape or size. Quite often buildings are omitted. There are better > examples and there are worse examples but it is not untypical and it was > this experience that made me suggest the Open Data import route in the > first place. > > So Open Data import is better for quality. Adding tags to building foot > prints is less error prone. > > 3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in Canada source Stats > Can. It took five years to get the City of Ottawa to update their Open > Data license. Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data tool > kit for the municipalities. With good will I estimate it will take two > years to get the Open Data licenses amended. Kingston might be a good > target. With any questions and there will be a number, this figure can be > expected to drift out to three to four years. Who is responsible to answer > questions, in both official languages? Who will make the requests to > municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license? > > In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources. We had enough local mappers > to discuss things through which is part of the import process. We had good > will from the City of Ottawa and they were happy to release building foot > print data which had not been part of their Open Data so far. The import > process is not simple these days, it would need the steps to follow to be > documented and then you get the technical side of the import. I'm a fairly > experienced mapper and to be honest I wouldn't attempt the sort of complex > import that was done in Ottawa. I'm not sure the Ottawa experience is > repeatable more than five thousand times. > > We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing licenses but they > are volunteers and for five thousand opinions that would take a > considerable amount of time and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones > I wouldn't even bother. > > The community is supposed to be doing this. Fine but a project manager > and a project plan might make it run more smoothly. Data quality will be > important so how will it be verified? Who will be responsible for > organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who will identify the > group of mappers who are "local" to a small municipality? Remember these > have a critical decision making role to play in the import process. > > Have fun. > > Cheerio John > > > On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) < > alessandro.ala...@canada.ca> wrote: > >> Hello all! >> >> Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa, >> Sept 14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop >> to discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled >> “Building Canada 2020”. >> >> The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: *map all buildings in >> Canada on OSM by the year 2020*. The workshop was well attended. There >> were about 50 people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic group, >> and private). This was a preliminary discussion amongst a small group of >> people, but now that broad interest has been confirmed more stakeholders >> need to be involved! >> >> A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft *Roadmap to >> implementation* has been posted on the OSM Wiki at: >> *https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020* >> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020> >> >> Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all buildings in Canada on >> OSM by the year 2020” is invited to contribute to the discussion and the >> roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss how >> coordination, communication and governance of this initiative can be set in >> place. >> >> One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that “Building Canada >> 2020” is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not properly a >> project of any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal. The hope is >> that many organizations and contributors working with an open data resource >> (OSM) can coordinate their efforts through a multitude of projects, >> initiatives, and activities towards a common goal that would benefit >> society at large. >> >> My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot project >> with OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking at the >> possibility of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other cities >> the work done with the pilot in Ottawa and Gatineau. If this happens, this >> StatCan project would contribute to, and align with, the Building Canada >> 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but one of many projects and >> activities contributing to the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to >> coordinate work with other organizations or groups that share the vision. >> We would also be happy to share experiences and the tools developed while >> working with building information on OSM. >> >> We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as we >> move forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more >> cities. >> >> Best regards >> Alessandro and DEIL Team >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-ca mailing list > Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca > > -- 外に遊びに行こう！
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