Another good reason to create an organization that holds the keys to
key OSM resources... then it can out-survive all of us. :-)
On 2017-09-29 09:41 AM, James wrote:
I and others can give access to people to create projects on the
tasking manager. I understand that one person might disapear, i'll
try not to die in the next 2 years ;)
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com
<mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
But that is only a single person for a project of this size you
need some sort of team approach. Although buses are fairly safe
the odd one gets hit by a train and if you happen to be sitting
in the front seat you may not be available to sort things out.
Cheerio John
On 29 September 2017 at 09:33, James <james2...@gmail.com
<mailto:james2...@gmail.com>> wrote:
To answer you question about who would organise the tasking
manager, I'm willing to do so.
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan
<jwhelan0...@gmail.com <mailto:jwhelan0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A couple of comments:
1. Pierre Beland**
<https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s> has identified
95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets.
https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321
<https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321>
We would need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most
mapping and they have their own agendas and reasons for
mapping. They are more likely to throw their weight
behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure
this is.
2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a
mapathon. https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg
<https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg> as you can
see in my opinion the quality is not suitable for Stats
Canada's use. Some buildings are grouped together with
others as a single building, others are mapped the wrong
shape or size. Quite often buildings are omitted.
There are better examples and there are worse examples
but it is not untypical and it was this experience that
made me suggest the Open Data import route in the first
place.
So Open Data import is better for quality. Adding tags
to building foot prints is less error prone.
3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in
Canada source Stats Can. It took five years to get the
City of Ottawa to update their Open Data license.
Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data
tool kit for the municipalities. With good will I
estimate it will take two years to get the Open Data
licenses amended. Kingston might be a good target.
With any questions and there will be a number, this
figure can be expected to drift out to three to four
years. Who is responsible to answer questions, in both
official languages? Who will make the requests to
municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license?
In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources. We had
enough local mappers to discuss things through which is
part of the import process. We had good will from the
City of Ottawa and they were happy to release building
foot print data which had not been part of their Open
Data so far. The import process is not simple these
days, it would need the steps to follow to be
documented and then you get the technical side of the
import. I'm a fairly experienced mapper and to be
honest I wouldn't attempt the sort of complex import
that was done in Ottawa. I'm not sure the Ottawa
experience is repeatable more than five thousand times.
We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing
licenses but they are volunteers and for five thousand
opinions that would take a considerable amount of time
and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones I
wouldn't even bother.
The community is supposed to be doing this. Fine but a
project manager and a project plan might make it run
more smoothly. Data quality will be important so how
will it be verified? Who will be responsible for
organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who
will identify the group of mappers who are "local" to a
small municipality? Remember these have a critical
decision making role to play in the import process.
Have fun.
Cheerio John
On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro
(STATCAN) <alessandro.ala...@canada.ca
<mailto:alessandro.ala...@canada.ca>> wrote:
Hello all!
Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT
Summit held in Ottawa, Sept 14-15. In parallel to
the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop to
discuss the possibility of launching a community-led
initiative titled “Building Canada 2020”.
The goal and vision of this initiative is simple:
*/map all buildings in Canada on OSM by the year
2020/*. The workshop was well attended. There were
about 50 people from various sectors (federal,
academic, civic group, and private). This was a
preliminary discussion amongst a small group of
people, but now that broad interest has been
confirmed more stakeholders need to be involved!
A short summary of the workshop along with a first
draft */Roadmap to implementation/* has been posted
on the OSM Wiki at:
_https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020_
<https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020>
Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all
buildings in Canada on OSM by the year 2020”**is
invited to contribute to the discussion and the
roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is
still need to discuss how coordination,
communication and governance of this initiative can
be set in place.
One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is
that “Building Canada 2020” is not a Statistics
Canada project. In fact, it is not properly a
project of any sort. It is a vision and an
aspirational goal. The hope is that many
organizations and contributors working with an open
data resource (OSM) can coordinate their efforts
through a multitude of projects, initiatives, and
activities towards a common goal that would benefit
society at large.
My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working
on a pilot project with OSM (which was presented at
the HOT Summit). We are looking at the possibility
of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to
other cities the work done with the pilot in Ottawa
and Gatineau. If this happens, this StatCan project
would contribute to, and align with, the Building
Canada 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but
one of many projects and activities contributing to
the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to
coordinate work with other organizations or groups
that share the vision. We would also be happy to
share experiences and the tools developed while
working with building information on OSM.
We look forward to further collaboration with the
OSM communities as we move forward with the second
phase of our project and expand to more cities.
Best regards
Alessandro and DEIL Team
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