I and others can give access to people to create projects on the tasking manager. I understand that one person might disapear, i'll try not to die in the next 2 years ;)
On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:37 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> wrote: > But that is only a single person for a project of this size you need some > sort of team approach. Although buses are fairly safe the odd one gets hit > by a train and if you happen to be sitting in the front seat you may not be > available to sort things out. > > Cheerio John > > On 29 September 2017 at 09:33, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> To answer you question about who would organise the tasking manager, I'm >> willing to do so. >> >> On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> A couple of comments: >>> >>> 1. Pierre Beland <https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s> has >>> identified 95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets. >>> https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321 We would >>> need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most mapping and they have their >>> own agendas and reasons for mapping. They are more likely to throw their >>> weight behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure this is. >>> >>> 2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a mapathon. >>> https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg as you can see in my opinion >>> the quality is not suitable for Stats Canada's use. Some buildings are >>> grouped together with others as a single building, others are mapped the >>> wrong shape or size. Quite often buildings are omitted. There are better >>> examples and there are worse examples but it is not untypical and it was >>> this experience that made me suggest the Open Data import route in the >>> first place. >>> >>> So Open Data import is better for quality. Adding tags to building foot >>> prints is less error prone. >>> >>> 3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in Canada source >>> Stats Can. It took five years to get the City of Ottawa to update their >>> Open Data license. Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data >>> tool kit for the municipalities. With good will I estimate it will take >>> two years to get the Open Data licenses amended. Kingston might be a good >>> target. With any questions and there will be a number, this figure can be >>> expected to drift out to three to four years. Who is responsible to answer >>> questions, in both official languages? Who will make the requests to >>> municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license? >>> >>> In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources. We had enough local >>> mappers to discuss things through which is part of the import process. We >>> had good will from the City of Ottawa and they were happy to release >>> building foot print data which had not been part of their Open Data so >>> far. The import process is not simple these days, it would need the steps >>> to follow to be documented and then you get the technical side of the >>> import. I'm a fairly experienced mapper and to be honest I wouldn't >>> attempt the sort of complex import that was done in Ottawa. I'm not sure >>> the Ottawa experience is repeatable more than five thousand times. >>> >>> We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing licenses but they >>> are volunteers and for five thousand opinions that would take a >>> considerable amount of time and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones >>> I wouldn't even bother. >>> >>> The community is supposed to be doing this. Fine but a project manager >>> and a project plan might make it run more smoothly. Data quality will be >>> important so how will it be verified? Who will be responsible for >>> organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who will identify the >>> group of mappers who are "local" to a small municipality? Remember these >>> have a critical decision making role to play in the import process. >>> >>> Have fun. >>> >>> Cheerio John >>> >>> >>> On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) < >>> alessandro.ala...@canada.ca> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello all! >>>> >>>> Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa, >>>> Sept 14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop >>>> to discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled >>>> “Building Canada 2020”. >>>> >>>> The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: *map all buildings >>>> in Canada on OSM by the year 2020*. The workshop was well attended. >>>> There were about 50 people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic >>>> group, and private). This was a preliminary discussion amongst a small >>>> group of people, but now that broad interest has been confirmed more >>>> stakeholders need to be involved! >>>> >>>> A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft *Roadmap to >>>> implementation* has been posted on the OSM Wiki at: >>>> *https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020* >>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020> >>>> >>>> Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all buildings in Canada on >>>> OSM by the year 2020” is invited to contribute to the discussion and >>>> the roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss >>>> how coordination, communication and governance of this initiative can be >>>> set in place. >>>> >>>> One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that “Building >>>> Canada 2020” is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not >>>> properly a project of any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal. >>>> The hope is that many organizations and contributors working with an open >>>> data resource (OSM) can coordinate their efforts through a multitude of >>>> projects, initiatives, and activities towards a common goal that would >>>> benefit society at large. >>>> >>>> My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot project >>>> with OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking at the >>>> possibility of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other cities >>>> the work done with the pilot in Ottawa and Gatineau. If this happens, this >>>> StatCan project would contribute to, and align with, the Building Canada >>>> 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but one of many projects and >>>> activities contributing to the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to >>>> coordinate work with other organizations or groups that share the vision. >>>> We would also be happy to share experiences and the tools developed while >>>> working with building information on OSM. >>>> >>>> We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as we >>>> move forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more >>>> cities. >>>> >>>> Best regards >>>> Alessandro and DEIL Team >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Talk-ca mailing list >>>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> 外に遊びに行こう! >> > > -- 外に遊びに行こう!
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