But that is only a single person for a project of this size you need some sort of team approach. Although buses are fairly safe the odd one gets hit by a train and if you happen to be sitting in the front seat you may not be available to sort things out.
Cheerio John On 29 September 2017 at 09:33, James <james2...@gmail.com> wrote: > To answer you question about who would organise the tasking manager, I'm > willing to do so. > > On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 9:24 AM, john whelan <jwhelan0...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> A couple of comments: >> >> 1. Pierre Beland <https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen?p=s> has identified >> 95% of contributors only map 6% of the assets. >> https://mobile.twitter.com/pierzen/status/910551645498552321 We would >> need to use those 5% of mappers who do the most mapping and they have their >> own agendas and reasons for mapping. They are more likely to throw their >> weight behind something that looks achievable and I'm not sure this is. >> >> 2. I've put up a sample of buildings being mapped from a mapathon. >> https://www.jatws.org/johnw/building3.jpg as you can see in my opinion >> the quality is not suitable for Stats Canada's use. Some buildings are >> grouped together with others as a single building, others are mapped the >> wrong shape or size. Quite often buildings are omitted. There are better >> examples and there are worse examples but it is not untypical and it was >> this experience that made me suggest the Open Data import route in the >> first place. >> >> So Open Data import is better for quality. Adding tags to building foot >> prints is less error prone. >> >> 3. There are more than 5,000 municipal governments in Canada source Stats >> Can. It took five years to get the City of Ottawa to update their Open >> Data license. Treasury Board still hasn't released their Open Data tool >> kit for the municipalities. With good will I estimate it will take two >> years to get the Open Data licenses amended. Kingston might be a good >> target. With any questions and there will be a number, this figure can be >> expected to drift out to three to four years. Who is responsible to answer >> questions, in both official languages? Who will make the requests to >> municipal governments to adopt a usable Open Data license? >> >> In Ottawa we had the right mix of resources. We had enough local mappers >> to discuss things through which is part of the import process. We had good >> will from the City of Ottawa and they were happy to release building foot >> print data which had not been part of their Open Data so far. The import >> process is not simple these days, it would need the steps to follow to be >> documented and then you get the technical side of the import. I'm a fairly >> experienced mapper and to be honest I wouldn't attempt the sort of complex >> import that was done in Ottawa. I'm not sure the Ottawa experience is >> repeatable more than five thousand times. >> >> We can approach the OSM LWG for an opinion on existing licenses but they >> are volunteers and for five thousand opinions that would take a >> considerable amount of time and if the license weren't the TB toolkit ones >> I wouldn't even bother. >> >> The community is supposed to be doing this. Fine but a project manager >> and a project plan might make it run more smoothly. Data quality will be >> important so how will it be verified? Who will be responsible for >> organising task manager tiles for the whole country? Who will identify the >> group of mappers who are "local" to a small municipality? Remember these >> have a critical decision making role to play in the import process. >> >> Have fun. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> >> On 28 September 2017 at 16:48, Alasia, Alessandro (STATCAN) < >> alessandro.ala...@canada.ca> wrote: >> >>> Hello all! >>> >>> Statistics Canada was a partner of the 2017 HOT Summit held in Ottawa, >>> Sept 14-15. In parallel to the summit, Statistics Canada hosted a workshop >>> to discuss the possibility of launching a community-led initiative titled >>> “Building Canada 2020”. >>> >>> The goal and vision of this initiative is simple: *map all buildings in >>> Canada on OSM by the year 2020*. The workshop was well attended. There >>> were about 50 people from various sectors (federal, academic, civic group, >>> and private). This was a preliminary discussion amongst a small group of >>> people, but now that broad interest has been confirmed more stakeholders >>> need to be involved! >>> >>> A short summary of the workshop along with a first draft *Roadmap to >>> implementation* has been posted on the OSM Wiki at: >>> *https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020* >>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Canada/Building_Canada_2020> >>> >>> Everyone that shares the vision of “mapping all buildings in Canada on >>> OSM by the year 2020” is invited to contribute to the discussion and >>> the roadmap to implementation. In addition, there is still need to discuss >>> how coordination, communication and governance of this initiative can be >>> set in place. >>> >>> One important aspect that needs to be emphasized is that “Building >>> Canada 2020” is not a Statistics Canada project. In fact, it is not >>> properly a project of any sort. It is a vision and an aspirational goal. >>> The hope is that many organizations and contributors working with an open >>> data resource (OSM) can coordinate their efforts through a multitude of >>> projects, initiatives, and activities towards a common goal that would >>> benefit society at large. >>> >>> My team at Statistics Canada (DEIL) has been working on a pilot project >>> with OSM (which was presented at the HOT Summit). We are looking at the >>> possibility of a second Statistics Canada project to expand to other cities >>> the work done with the pilot in Ottawa and Gatineau. If this happens, this >>> StatCan project would contribute to, and align with, the Building Canada >>> 2020 initiative. Hopefully this will be but one of many projects and >>> activities contributing to the vision. Where possible, we would be happy to >>> coordinate work with other organizations or groups that share the vision. >>> We would also be happy to share experiences and the tools developed while >>> working with building information on OSM. >>> >>> We look forward to further collaboration with the OSM communities as we >>> move forward with the second phase of our project and expand to more >>> cities. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Alessandro and DEIL Team >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Talk-ca mailing list >>> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Talk-ca mailing list >> Talk-ca@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ca >> >> > > > -- > 外に遊びに行こう！ >
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