Noted. On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Robin Paulson <ro...@bumblepuppy.org> wrote:
> On 2013-02-04 07:35, Jeff Meyer wrote: > >> To answer your first question, I do. Others have voiced the same >> > > you're making a decision not to have a decision any more (leading implies > someone making decisions on your behalf)? that's rather contradictory > > opinion - theyd like to see some organization, to know that their >> >> efforts are being applied for the most benefit. Your voice is noted, >> but there should be room for disagreement, no? >> > > not if it affects me, or anyone else who doesn't want to be affected, no. > there is the faint whiff of top-down organisation happening here, which is > very concerning. i didn't take part in osm in order for someone to organise > me. > > One of the goals of a strategic exercise would be to test your thesis >> whether OSMs (and the OSMFs) "damn good job so far," is "damn good" >> >> enough to continue to survive and thrive. The thesis that an >> organizing board reduces a community of thousands to the views of a >> handful seems contrary to what has gone on with many other successful >> OS projects. >> > > considering the problems with representative democracy in the last 300 > years, and how the "representatives" are rarely representative of the many, > i'm not sure this is possible: > > http://www.guardian.co.uk/**commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/** > nov/23/congress-us-politics<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/nov/23/congress-us-politics> > > i recall that 80+% of british MPs are millionaires, while ~0.1% of their > constituents are. out of touch? > > if someone is not being represented, then by definition we won't hear from > them, so we won't know if there are any problems, such as poor > representation. so whether the other successful OS projects are > representing everyone or not is difficult to judge > > >> On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:57 AM, Robin Paulson <ro...@bumblepuppy.org >> [4]> wrote: >> >> On 2013-02-03 07:41, Jeff Meyer wrote: >>> >>> was: geocoding trademark thread >>>> >>>> I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have >>>> plans to >>>> operate and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or >>>> not? >>>> >>> >>> what makes you think anyone wants to be lead, i certainly dont? or >>> wants to be organised from above? were all fully functional human >>> >>> beings, perfectly capable of organising ourselves, and doing a damn >>> good job so far - look at where OSM and most other digital commons >>> projects have got through self-organising. >>> >>> i disagree with any idea of a board, i think its utterly wrong, it >>> >>> reduces a community of thousands to the views a handful of people >>> can put across. >>> >>> > -- > robin > > http://**universitywithoutconditions.**ac.nz<http://universitywithoutconditions.ac.nz>- > Auckland's Free University > > ______________________________**_________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talk<http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk> > -- Jeff Meyer Global World History Atlas www.gwhat.org j...@gwhat.org 206-676-2347 <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer> osm: Historical OSM<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Historical_OSM> / my OSM user page <http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/jeffmeyer> t: @GWHAThistory <https://twitter.com/GWHAThistory> f: GWHAThistory <https://www.facebook.com/GWHAThistory>
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