For what it's worth, I agree with Jeff and Paweł on this. If OSMF is going to be a big, beautiful mess it should own that and publish the C&D for everyone to see. Anarchists gonna anarchate.
If on the other hand we want strong leadership that can handle a trademark dispute on its own, then we're missing a lot of what leadership is about: clear communication, visible power structure, authority figures who can speak on behalf of the organization, draw fire, and so on. Does the board want to be a board? -mike. On Feb 2, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Jeff Meyer wrote: > was: geocoding trademark thread > > I think Paweł has hit on a key question: does the OSMF have plans to operate > and lead OSM in a more efficient, organized manner or not? And, to an even > more relevant issue: how many people like Paweł show up on the doorstep and > don't bother engaging for the same reasons he mentions? > > There's a group working in parallel to put together a strategic plan, in the > absence of one, but doing this without leadership and support from the top > can be problematic. And, no, saying, "That's great, go for it," isn't really > support. > > I hope Paweł doesn't leave, but I cannot blame him for feeling the way he > feels. His points are on target. Are there any plans in place for OSMF to > address these types of questions by SotM 2013? > > - Jeff > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Paweł Paprota <ppa...@fastmail.fm> > Date: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:25 AM > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue > To: talk@openstreetmap.org > > > On 02/01/2013 08:54 PM, andrzej zaborowski wrote: > I agree with what you're saying although I can't help thinking that > if the OSMF can't take the risk of having some things in the wiki, > the solution, for everyone's benefit, is to move the wiki to a server > that's not paid for by the OSMF. I'm positive finding such a server > wouldn't be difficult (in fact the home page says it is hosted at UCL > & ByteMark -- so if the OSMF is neither hosting nor writing the > content, should it accept the C+D? The admins *are* OSMF members, > but they're not OSMF). The OSMF has at some point started assuming > responsibility for what is being published in the database and now on > the wiki. In the case of the database it makes sense for someone to > give some level of warranty that the data in it in fact is legally > usable, although the consequences of this step have had a terrible > effect on the map and the community so far. > > +1000000 > > Current situation is getting silly to the point that I'm seriously > considering abandoning this project and leaving history tab, vector > tiles and my other projects unfinished just to have peace of mind and > work in a sane project with sane organization behind it like KDE. > > On one hand OSMF is telling us they don't want any strategic planning > and involvement, on the other they are redacting and editing data and > wiki. And this is possible mostly because what Andrzej said - that they > host the servers (which I am personally grateful for - to the admins - > no to people who use it for political bullshit like this). > > This is NOT how a project should work and you will only discourage > people by doing such stunts. > > Either finally get your act together and prepare a proper organization > like KDE e.v (http://ev.kde.org/) or get out of the project and > leave it be. There is still plenty of energy that will fill the void > after you (I'm talking to OSMF). > > Paweł > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Paweł Paprota <ppa...@fastmail.fm> > Date: Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 5:55 AM > Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Recent edits in the wiki / Trademark issue > To: Ed Loach <e...@loach.me.uk> > Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org > > > On 02/02/2013 02:38 PM, Ed Loach wrote: > As far as I can see, OSMF Ltd is very like KDE ev; compare > http://blog.osmfoundation.org/about/ and > http://ev.kde.org/whatiskdeev.php > > Legal status is the least of what I meant. Compare what OSMF does with > this quarterly report from the KDE foundation: > > http://ev.kde.org/reports/ev-quarterly-2012_Q3.pdf > > Not only is all this stuff happening but they also have people who > prepare such a nice quarterly report. > > Also note fund raising efforts, expenses and donations, partners, new > members etc. > > This is an organization that actually supports the community in their > efforts. And they are not "evil" in doing that. > > What can be done to steer OSMF into that direction? Can it be even done > at this point? > > > Paweł > > > -- > Jeff Meyer > Global World History Atlas > www.gwhat.org > j...@gwhat.org > 206-676-2347 > osm: Historical OSM / my OSM user page > t: @GWHAThistory > f: GWHAThistory > > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ---------------------------------------------------------------- michal migurski- contact info and pgp key: sf/ca http://mike.teczno.com/contact.html _______________________________________________ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
