There is 2 « independant » things in the debate : 1) trunk definition - what is a trunk, a motorway-like road - based on physical characteristics- or a super-primary road - based on the importance ? 2) wordwilde trunk definition ? - should we have the same definition all over the world of what is highway= trunk ? (value that are country-dependant are not that common, aren’t they ?)
djakk Le sam. 24 févr. 2018 à 10:07, Matej Lieskovský <lieskovsky.ma...@gmail.com> a écrit : > 1) If you want to look at a professional map of Czechia, I'd recommend > www.mapy.cz over google maps as that is the most used and far more > detailed map. > 2) I agree that the discontinuities are ugly, but they reflect the state > on the ground. That section around Sulec is a trunk instead of a primary > due to the fact that it is a section of future motorway built to motorway > standard. While your system heavily preferences "importance" of roads, our > local system reflects reality. Declaring the entire road from Pilsen to > České Budějovice as trunk due to its importance loses the information that > there is a section that was built as a motorway link to Písek. I can > already tell that the road is important because it links Pilsen and České > Budějovice (by looking at the map), but I also want to know that it was > built as a primary road and not as a trunk - that means that I'm going to > expect more single-level junctions and only two lanes for most of the way. > > I agree, our trunk roads are a little fuzzy on their definition, but > elevating random primary roads to trunk is a loss of data for us. Touching > anything else than reclassifying primary to trunk et vice versa will > certainly be considered as vandalism in Czechia. > > You are demonstrating that you can guess the road class from other data. I > think it's cute, but does not match on-the-ground data in countries where > road classification is well-defined. > > Look, I've spent a lot of time on this and I have better things to do. > Fill in the info for your regions on the wiki and then we can see what we > can do. Until then, bear in mind that "harmonising" European roads will > likely get you banned. I don't want to sound like I'm threatening you, but > I've probably spent all the time I'm willing to spend on arguing with some > random person who wants to break our local road classification system > "because it will look nicer". > > On 24 February 2018 at 07:59, djakk djakk <djakk.dj...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Yes, but this rendering does not change when a road crosses a border ^^ >> >> djakk >> >> >> Le sam. 24 févr. 2018 à 05:43, JB <jb...@mailoo.org> a écrit : >> >>> There is something I don't get. >>> Draw primary the same color as trunk and you have no more « >>> discontinuity »? >>> In France, some commercial map (the most sold, I think) use a different >>> rendering for trunk and primary, because you drive faster on trunks. I >>> like it, I think they like it, because they have been using this >>> rendering for decades. >>> JB. >>> >>> Le 24/02/2018 à 04:45, Fernando Trebien a écrit : >>> > As an exercise (and I'm curious about your thoughts on this), I found >>> > the main routes between place=city within Czechia (didn't have time to >>> > include cities in adjacent countries, bear that in mind). >>> > >>> > Here's the result [1] using the old colour scheme (motorway=blue, >>> > trunk=green, primary=red; with a little mistake: secondary=yellow). >>> > Top image uses the current classifications, and bottom image is the >>> > result if city-city routes are classified as trunks. Looks very >>> > similar to most other maps. Just by looking at it, it's quite obvious >>> > which is the main route between each pair of cities. As expected, the >>> > method also found out the best ways through and around Praha when >>> > going across it. This could also be slightly improved - for example, >>> > with little extra time, it is easier to recommend going through route >>> > 6 and then Karlovarská than through route 5 and Bucharova. >>> > >>> > I've checked the three small secondary segments using Street View. >>> > Their physical structure is quite good. If still considered >>> > undersirable, there are alternative main ways that increase the total >>> > time of travel very slightly. Not all routers agreed on taking them >>> > anyway. >>> > >>> > [1] https://i.imgur.com/qFGSveX.jpg >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > talk mailing list >>> > talk@openstreetmap.org >>> > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> talk mailing list >>> talk@openstreetmap.org >>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >
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