also on the the standard mapping convetions, its mentioned in bold : Don't use abbreviations
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Editing_Standards_and_Conventions A terça, 16/07/2019, 18:05, Stefan Baebler <stefan.baeb...@gmail.com> escreveu: > I think IPA ( > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet ) would > address > that problem, but that would require many more tags, which are not trivial > for mappers to write. > > Br, > Štefan > > > V tor., 16. jul. 2019 17:55 je oseba Colin Smale <colin.sm...@xs4all.nl> > napisala: > >> The reason for wanting to expand abbreviations in OSM is surely to avoid >> ambiguity, not specifically to aid pronunciation or recognition. In the >> case of "1e ..." in a certain language context, would that not be >> unambiguous? Would a speech synthesiser not know how it should be spoken in >> its working language? >> >> Slight digression: The question does arise of which rules to use to >> pronounce foreign names. If I am in Warsaw for example and my satnav >> started pronouncing street names in pure Polish I might not recognise any >> of them (apologies to any Poles in the audience). But how would it speak >> such that I would recognise it, if I was looking for a string with loads of >> Ws and Zs that means nothing to me? Use English rules to pronounce a Polish >> word? >> >> On the other hand, if I was in Paris, I would expect it to use French >> rules, because I understand French and using English rules would sound >> weird although it might well give a lot of laughs... >> >> >> >> On 2019-07-16 17:36, John Whelan wrote: >> >> This approach I like. Name:expanded perhaps? >> >> To go back to earlier ideas. >> >> Expanding the name sounds sensible but unfortunately the street signs are >> posted with the abbreviation and some local mappers have a what is on the >> sign goes in the map mentality. Also we have had discussions about street >> names in Canada before and the decision was what the municipality declares >> the street name is correct. That was to do with either "rue Sparks" or >> should it be "Rue Sparks" in Quebec it would be one way but in Ontario the >> other. >> >> Thoughts >> >> Thanks John >> >> Colin Smale wrote on 2019-07-16 11:30 AM: >> >> On 2019-07-16 16:54, John Whelan wrote: >> >> One or two are problematic usually as the street name is an >> abbreviation. For example 1e Avenue in French meaning First Avenue. >> >> Any suggestions on how these should be handled? This particular >> application is aimed at partially sighted people but I feel we should be >> able to come up with a generic solution. >> >> Some kind of phonetic (IPA?) representation would be the ultimate generic >> solution. Here in NL (and I guess in many other countries) there are street >> names which are partially or entirely in other languages, and the >> expectation is that they are pronounced as such. For example, Boeing Avenue >> would sound completely weird if it were pronounced according to Dutch >> rules. Truly multi-lingual countries like Belgium and Switzerland should be >> able to make use of name:XX. >> >> If we had name:XX:ipa=* we would have a place to put it, but the client >> app would need to have a way of turning that into sounds. It will only be >> needed if the pronunciation deviates from the standard for the language in >> question, but speech synthesisers are never perfect and often make >> mistakes.... >> >> >> https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/264239/is-there-any-online-tool-to-read-pronounce-ipa-and-apa-written-words >> >> Of course we will also need a way of entering IPA symbols.... >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing >> listtalk@openstreetmap.orghttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> -- >> Sent from Postbox <https://www.postbox-inc.com> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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