The problem with this thread is that it is conflating different (but a bit related) things.
- missing or less than perfect attribution, - corporate messaging about OpenStreetMap (or more the lack of it). As to the first point in general we are just arguing about the form, not the principle. We have only one case that I'm aware of, in which a publisher is claiming that they do not need to provide attribution, and we are pursing that with legal means. It is however important to realize that their are limits to copyright and that for example lots of the "non-attribution" in the states is likely permissible fair use under US laws. It would still be good form to provide attribution, but it isn't something we can enforce and getting upset about such use is really just a tremendous waste of time. As to the 2nd point, yes it might be annoying that we don't get more positive corporate messaging around the use of OpenStreetMap, particularly when the companies in question wouldn't actually exist without OSM, but it isn't a legal or attribution question and should be kept separate. Relying on third parties that are mainly beholden to money to do messaging on our behalf is a very bad idea in any case, the responsibility for positive messaging is clearly part of the remit of the OSMF. Simon Am 31.10.2019 um 10:41 schrieb Nuno Caldeira: > do a search for Strava on social media images, on twitter as examples: > > https://twitter.com/MissJKirby/status/1189164486252515333?s=09 > > https://twitter.com/boorapong88/status/1188767309357142016?s=09 > > https://twitter.com/dai_walters/status/1188488659089141760?s=09 > > só either everyone crops the image or there's something wrong. > > > following your mindset, we should blame the map provider (Mapbox) and > not the company that uses the maos. Does this apply to Facebook too? > As Mapbox is a corporate member of OSMF and several employees of > theirs are members of board or working groups, that shouldn't be to > hard to fix the lack of attribution, right? > > On Thu, 31 Oct 2019, 09:28 Jeffrey Friedl, <jfri...@yahoo.com > <mailto:jfri...@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > And the hypocrisy goes on. "Strava launches gorgeous new > outdoor maps" > > https://blog.mapbox.com/strava-launches-gorgeous-new-outdoor-maps-977c74cf37f9 > > > > I'm not sure what you're reporting, but the maps all have "© > Mapbox © OpenStreetMap" in the lower-left > > corner. (Perhaps they were cut off in some of the > screenshots in news coverage, but the actual maps in > > the Strava app and on their web site all have this > attribution.) I suppose that they could use a slightly > > stronger background shadow, to create more contrast when the > map behind the attribution is light. > > > > > > that is not true. > > WHAT is not true? Why can't you be specific? > > > https://twitter.com/mastermen/status/1127672128797663239?s=09 > > That's a half year ago, showing an edited screen capture. What > relevence is to this discussion? > > > from the moment they use OSM they agreed with it's terms > > "They" being Strava? I don't beleve that Strava uses, or has ever > used, OSM data. > I'm pretty sure that Strava is a customer of Mapbox, and it's > *Mapbox* that uses OSM data > and generates images that Strava displays. If Mapbox is not > putting attributions properly, > complain to/about them. > > Jeffrey > > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
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