More than deprecating name=* to replace with Wikidata, it would be needed deprecating it in favour of name:<Lang>=* and leaving to the client the decision of what language to render. It would partially solve the multilanguage issue...
Stefano On Sun, 9 Aug 2020, 13:11 pangoSE, <pang...@riseup.net> wrote: > These are valid concerns. See my response to James. > If Wikimedia should become uncooperative we could easily set up our own > wikibase installation. See https://www.wbstack.com/ > > It takes a few minutes plus some configuration time. > > In fact this might be much better than forcing our data into wikidata > which is very tied to education and does not accept all our objects that > have names currently. > > In case we take this route I would recommend having another prefix than Q > for our unique ids. > > Cheers > > Mateusz Konieczny via talk <talk@openstreetmap.org> skrev: (9 augusti > 2020 12:16:33 CEST) >> >> or has downtime? or deletes data/items used by OSM? or bans OSM mappers? >> or refuses to ban vandal/troll/harasser? or fails to ban them quickly? >> >> Aug 9, 2020, 11:45 by james2...@gmail.com: >> >> is there a contingency plan if wikipedia/wikimedia ceases to exist? >> >> On Sun., Aug. 9, 2020, 4:29 a.m. pangoSE, <pang...@riseup.net> wrote: >> >> I suggest we create a roadmap for deprecating of storing and updating >> names in OSM for objects with a Wikidata tag. >> >> The rationale is explained here: >> https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/19655 >> >> This of course affects the whole project and data consumers as well. >> Every OSM user will have to become a Wikidata user as well to edit the >> names or add name references (through the editors) >> >> Substantial changes will have to be made: >> * nominatim will need to support fetching names from wikidata somehow. It >> could probably be done on the fly. >> * openstreetmap.org will need to fetch from wikidata when displaying any >> object. >> * rendering the standard map will have to support fetching from wikidata. >> * all editors would have to fetch and enable editing of Wikidata objects. >> * maybe it no longer makes sense to have 2 separate logins? We should >> unify the logging in as much as possible. Ideas are welcome on how to do >> that. Perhaps retire signing up as OSM user on osm.org and ask users to >> create a Wikimedia account instead and log in with that? >> >> I personally don't see any problems connecting Wikimedia and OSM closer >> than the islands they are today. >> >> As mentioned in the ticket above data consumers like Mapbox already >> prefer Wikidata names. I'm guessing thats because they are simply better >> quality, better modeled, better referenced and better protected against >> vandalism. >> >> WDYT? >> >> Cheers >> pangoSE >> Ps I choose this list because this not only relates to tagging, but to >> the wider ecosystem._______________________________________________ >> talk mailing list >> talk@openstreetmap.org >> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk >
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