Not only do I understand the concern about unrestricted internet access, it is one of the reasons why we are undertaking our study of OSM community communication practices and habits--there are hundreds of channels, globally, and many of them have to do with working around this particular challenge. To the concern about Google specifically--we knew the challenges and drawbacks of using this form, but the benefits outweighed them, as there is no ideal option for this kind of survey available.
In general, there is no perfect form and no perfect software for collecting this kind of data, and we are doing the best with available resources. For example, we are reaching out to the OSM community through Telegram, Reddit, Matrix, Discourse, Discord, and many other forums, and we are also looking at other forms of communications data in our analysis. To the specific comment about a CWG member knowing better. It is precisely because we are on the CWG that we are seeking to understand the community's communication behaviors, so that we can study it and offer our findings back to the community. We don't have perfect tools, we don't have unlimited means, and we are doing the best that we can do informed, considered, inclusive work. Interestingly, one of our questions has to do with "do you find OSM community forums to be positive and encouraging." I am finding the irony of this to be a bit rich at the moment. I would encourage skeptics to fill out the survey and tune in to our presentation in June and then judge our approaches. Courtney Williamson On Fri, Apr 28, 2023 at 10:56 AM Sören Reinecke <valin...@gmx.net> wrote: > I am impressed that some of you always choose the path to complain about > things going against their own world view rather to provide useful > suggestion / realistic alternatives or even better getting involved in the > implementation as developers do. Google or Microsoft are unfortunately the > choice of many non-technical users because it is what they know, feel > comfortable with and is most of the time easy to use. Only few OSS projects > come near their level (the good ones like Linux). > > So please stop complaining about when someone does not share your > ideologic attitude. And wanting to use OSS only is a ideology. In this case > privacy is not even a concern. So please stop polluting email threads with > unnecessary replies. > > For myself I can say that I don't like the giants too but I use what the > most know and what is an established standard like POSIX or GDrive. I even > administrate a Google Workspace subscription althought I do not like it > because Google Workspace has way too limited administration options and a > questionable permission system in GDrive. > > The argumentation of "restricted internet access" is a weak one in an > online project like OpenStreetMap. > > > Maybe I get a warning for saying this. But I got banned from tagging > already because I brought up an important topic three times prior warning > not to do that so nothing to loose here :) > > Sören > > Apr 28, 2023 16:27:41 Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com>: > > > On 28/04/2023 14:57, Marc_marc wrote: > >> part of the active opendata community > >> does not wish to ally a closeddata based enterprise > > > > It's actually worse than that. > > > > OpenStreetMap has mappers all around the world. Some of those places > don't have the virtually unrestricted Internet access that people in the > west may be accustomed to, and I wouldn't assume that a website of a major > American company (Google) is available in all those places. Previously the > Board and other OSMF working groups have taken care to ensure that everyone > can contribute to surveys like this. Of all people, I'd have expected the > Communication Working Group to be aware of this potential issue and to have > taken steps to ensure that it wasn't one. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Andy > > > > (writing in a personal capacity rather than as a member of the DWG) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > talk mailing list > > talk@openstreetmap.org > > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > > _______________________________________________ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk > -- --Courtney Cook Williamson survivalbybook.substack.com
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