Hey Robin, Recycling...that sounds like practice :-)
I like it. Cheers from chilly Sydney...Holstein On Jul 6, 5:27 pm, Robin Gravina <robin.grav...@gmail.com> wrote: > On a slightly more serious note than the fish scheme, I think that > remembering songs takes a different approach from many learning tasks, > particularly if you are all singing harmony and are not free to change any > words as you go along and the spirit hits you. > > For learning most things, it's enough to get the basic concepts and > understand them and you can use memory tags to help you, but with a song you > have to get it absolutely perfect and with no time to think about it. That > means that techniques like mind mapping and so on are not really > appropriate, unless you are trying to learn the overall structure of > something like a story song, rather than the detailed words. > > Everyone has their method, but I think ultimately you have to sit down and > learn each line and verse with a piece of paper - read, recite and test > yourself with the paper turned over, then when you practice with your > friends really notice where you are not sure and learn it again. Memory > works in cycles, so it does help to learn something, then to go back to it a > couple of hours later, the following morning, two days time and so on: there > is a process whereby material goes from short term to medium and long term > memory and you can speed it up by recycling. > > Best > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 1:43 AM, The Holstein Kid > <st...@senatorgroup.com.au>wrote: > > > > > > > Morning All, > > > We had our performance on Sat night and I did two short brackets with > > different teams. The first stint was a blast and my accompaniment > > needed no music so we ripped through it without a hitch. The second > > stint was with a different guitar and a fiddle and the guitarist had > > his lyrics on the floor. In the tune that he sang he was not pitching > > too well. I believe he was so worried about reading the words that his > > mind wasn’t where it should’ve been, but that’s the way it goes, it > > was still fun but a more inhibited effort on his part. Better next > > time. > > > We played a few traditional tunes and several Louvin numbers which > > have harmonies. I found that a lot of the groups had good pickers but > > weak vocals. The jam is once a month so we aim to learn new tunes for > > each performance until the number steadily grows. It was interesting > > to see that most other groups had music stands and it seemed to be the > > norm. > > > Out of interest, I read about How To Improve Your Memory and they talk > > about Goal Setting, Mind Mapping, Mind Mechanics and so on. I wonder > > if there are any school teachers that are in this group, and are there > > any special techniques to apply to music? > > > I’m pretty hopeless with names on first encounter because I take in > > the description and features of a person, always forgetting the > > seemingly most important thing, the name! When I make a conscious > > effort to remember their name, attribute something to it, it works…but > > I usually forget to do this, it’s not a habit. How ironic. > > > I better start using my Mind Tools better. > > > H > > > On Jul 4, 12:20 am, Robin Gravina <robin.grav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I have to tell you all that our guitarist invented a new mnemnonic > > technique > > > based on using fish to remember the order of the verses: for example 'two > > > dollar bill': > > > > *L*obster (Lost all my money..) > > > *C*od (Cloudy in the west..) > > > *D*ogfish (Dark and it's raining..) > > > *H*ake (Homesick and lonesome...) > > > *B*ass (Black smoke a rising..) > > > > My question is whether he should be institutionalised, or whether some > > kind > > > of medication would sort him out... > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 4:11 PM, The Holstein Kid > > > <st...@senatorgroup.com.au>wrote: > > > > > Thanks Everyone, terrific feedback. I hope my guitarist comes through > > > > tomorrow night, I'll keep y'all informed. > > > > There is a tune where I kept confusing the verses, and in Take Your > > > > Shoes Off Moses the Fiddle asked what the word Smite meant. After > > > > several comments, laughter, discussion etc, I then always remembered > > > > that word to be in the 2nd verse and it stuck like glue. I also used > > > > to be a bit lazy with I Don't Believe You've Met My Baby (Louvin) and > > > > after deciding to learn it properly, I began rehearsing without paper > > > > and then started singing in the shower and in the car, which did the > > > > trick. I started to imagine the plot to the story and Bingo. But my > > > > poor family :-) > > > > > Chef, that RS link sums it all up . . . . now what was I > > > > sayin' . . . . > > > > HK > > > > > On Jul 3, 10:03 pm, ljt <lj...@intas.net.au> wrote: > > > > > The Foggy Memory Boys....great name, great concept...sure would love > > > > > to see one of your ...efforts, sounds like lots of fun for all. > > > > > > On Jul 3, 5:24 pm, Robin Gravina <robin.grav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > It seems as if a lot of Tater folk have a band going - why don't we > > > > share > > > > > > songs & videos and so on? I'd be interested to hear what everyone's > > > > doing - > > > > > > seems like there are a lot of creative people here, and that people > > are > > > > > > applying their mandolin to some different styles. > > > > > > > How about it? > > > > > > Robin > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Val Mindel <vmin...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The sheet flat on the stage for prompting purposes is a good tip > > for > > > > > > > songs that have lyrics that are easy to screw up, but it seems > > like > > > > > > > learning the words is a fairly early and necessary step along the > > way > > > > > > > to getting on top of a song, getting it performance ready. I too > > have > > > > > > > failing-memory issues at times, but going over problem words > > > > > > > immediately before a gig seems to work, and I'm much happier not > > > > > > > having to try to read something while on stage...particularly > > since > > > > > > > the advent of trifocals, which do really disturbing things to > > lines > > > > of > > > > > > > type, especially at critical moments. I do better with my aging > > > > > > > memory. > > > > > > > On Jul 2, 1:42 pm, Pat Murphree <phreem...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > Our band chose the name "The Foggy Memory Boys" so we can get > > away > > > > with > > > > > > > things like forgotten lyrics and other screw-ups. It also excuses > > the > > > > use of > > > > > > > stands. > > > > > > > > > Murph > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: "The Holstein Kid" <st...@senatorgroup.com.au> > > > > > > > > To: "Taterbugmando" <taterbugmando@googlegroups.com> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:58:00 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada > > > > Pacific > > > > > > > > Subject: To stand, or not?? > > > > > > > > > Thought I might throw this out there. The new group I’m in is > > > > having a > > > > > > > > little trouble remembering lyrics to our tunes at this stage, > > and > > > > > > > > we’ve got a performance on Sat night. Because we’re only doing > > up > > > > to > > > > > > > > six tunes, I suggested we shouldn’t have a music stand in > > sight. I > > > > > > > > think it looks more professional not to have a stand and you > > should > > > > > > > > know your music. Right or not so? > > > > > > > > > Perhaps if we were doing several sets it might be a different > > > > story. I > > > > > > > > noticed a photo of EC and Co. on his recent tour with music > > stands > > > > on > > > > > > > > stage. It’s obviously acceptable to do this and I wonder if > > that > > > > was > > > > > > > > for a full show which is what it looked like. > > > > > > > > > Any opinion or rule of thumb you guys go by? > > > > > > > > > HK- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Taterbugmando" group. 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