On Sat, Apr 22, 2006 at 01:56:59AM +0200, Thomas King wrote:
> On Friday 21 April 2006 23:53, NextGen$ wrote:
> > * Michael Rogers <m.rogers at cs.ucl.ac.uk> [2006-04-21 21:43:37]:
> > > Thomas King wrote:
> > > UPnP, on the other hand, sounds useful - LimeWire contains a Java
> > > implementation so that might be a good starting point.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Michael
> >
> > Azureus too (azureus.sourceforge.net). I've started doing something with it
> > but gave up when I saw that recent windows versions are becoming paranoid
> > to all Up&p stuffs.
> Thanks for the hint! I didn't not know that, because I do not use Azureus.
> 
> >
> > IMO UP&P was a fashion : it was hype when manufacturers were enabling it by
> > default but now most of them are doing the opposite. It's disabled by
> > default.
> I do not agree with you. As far as I know most (consumer) DSL-router vendors 
> still enable UPnP by default. For instance, the DLink DSL-G664T is shipped 
> with enabled UPnP and I'm quit sure my Linksys WRT54 was also shipped with 
> enabled UPnP.

Hmmm. Well the first step is to establish some concrete facts on this.
> >
> > Moreover, the concept of letting the application deal with NAT/firewalling
> > rules isn't "good" nor secure imho.
> Yes, that is more or less true. However, for most computer users it is even 
> better if the application handles the NAT/firewall because otherwise they 
> cannot use the application. These people do often not understand the theory 
> behind the technical concepts and are not able to change the configuration of 
> their NAT by hand.

Agreed!
> 
> Greetings,
> Thomas
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