On Wednesday 26 April 2006 00:01, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>
> UP&P has two main issues. One is that it is insecure on a LAN. The other
> is that Win XP SP2 blocks it. If it is nonetheless widely used, then we
> should support it as it can not only discover your IP but also forward
> the UDP port.
Exactely, this is my point.

>
> > > > UPnP, on the other hand, sounds useful - LimeWire contains a Java
> > > > implementation so that might be a good starting point.
> > >
> > > I believe there are UP&P implementations out there... the question is,
> > > is UP&P widely used and widely available? If so we should certainly
> > > support it.
> >
> > I think a large share of the users are already using UPnP in their home
> > network to easily configure their NATs. However, I do not have a study to
> > give you exact figures.
> > I checked a few applications and at least Gaim, Ekiga, Windows-Messenger,
> > Emulemorph and PacPhone support UPnP (in addition, I think almost all P2P
> > tools support UPnP, e.g. BitTornado and Azureus).
>
> Hmm. Even though Win XP SP2 by default blocks it?
Yeah, I assume a lot of Win XP users still enable UPnP (probably it is easier 
for them to enable UPnP than configure their router to forward ports). And 
there is a growing *nix community out there ... ;-)

>
> > I agree, UPnP may be a security risk in a few scenarios. However, I
> > believe it would highly improve the usability of the software because a
> > lot of users experience problems using freenet behind a NAT.
> > What do you think about this approach:
> > STUN determines the type of internet connection used by the user. If the
> > user is behind a NAT she will be asked if she is at her home network or
> > if she uses an untrusted network. If the users tells us that she is at
> > home we use UPnP to configure her router, otherwise (and this will be
> > default after a short timeout) UPnP will not be used.
>
> STUN on its own would be a substantial improvement (obviously there
> needs to be an option to turn it off... possibly under an "advanced
> paranoid options" page in the installer). UP&P would be even better
> (especially for opennet, and people on dyndns who don't have a non-NATted
> peer), but we need to ask the user whether they are on an insecure LAN,
> and there remain nagging questions as to its viability if the only way to
> make it work is to ask the user to reconfigure the Windows Firewall
> to not block it.
As far as I know there is no other way, however, I am not a Windows user.
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