Where the Sun Dont Shine
by Fred L. Wefer
Don's iPhone.
On Feb 21, 2010, at 9:10 PM, Linda Palit <lkpa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Might make a good mystery/shoot-‘em-up book.
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@illinoisalumni.org]
Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 9:08 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: cave guns
While it might conceivably be useful to carry a gun _to_ a cave
entrance (although not in my personal 40+ years experience), I
cannot see any reason at all to carry a gun _into_ a cave. Firing a
gun in a cave would risk serious personal injury due to the dangers
of ricochet, not to mention that there is very likely nothing in a
cave that would be threatening enough to warrant having a gun.
Anything worthy of a gun would be obvious almost immediately, like a
bear or a lion, and there would likely be plenty of advance warning
(like scat or remains of prey) so that one could get away before
needing to fire. Except for some possibly extreme situations, this
is a ridiculous concept.
Mark Minton
>From: David <dlocklea...@gmail.com>
>To: Cavers Texas <texascav...@texascavers..com>
>Sent: Sun, February 21, 2010 12:14:17 AM
>Subject: [Texascavers] cave guns
>
>Starting Monday, you will be able to take your caving guns inside
>almost all federally
>owned caves. The exceptions are the tour caves.
>
>You will need to have a concealed permit and make sure that the state
>you are caving in
>accepts your state's permit, or you will have to apply for a permit
in
>that state.
>
>So what size gun do you pack?
>
>A 60 caliber hand-gun would be too big for most caving packs.
>
>A 50 caliber ought to do the trick:
>
>http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9nu4csc5kbA/0.jpg
>
>I hope you can sense that I am mocking this new regulation.
>
>So let's say you in a caving group hiking to Madonna Cave and you are
>all packing heat.
>You get to the cave, suit up, and then what? Do you all leave your
>guns in the entrance?
>What if you come out of the cave to find some shady characters
holding
>your guns at you?
>So I guess you take the guns in far enough so that that does not
happen.
>
>Can anybody think of a reason other than snakes to carry a gun on a
>hike to a federally owned cave? A bear ? A mountain lion ? A
>wolf or coyote? A fugitive hiding in a cave?
>
>I think the ammunition should be carried in a separate compartment of
>the back-pack, and the gun should be in a Pelican case.
>
>I think the chances are more likely that more people are going to be
>accidentally shot ( and probably kids ), than the guns being used to
>defend in a situation.
>
>I don't think cavers should carry guns on their hike to a
>"federally-owned" cave.
>
>But if some caver chose to do so, would he or she be, disrespected?
>
>I would encourage any caver with me that wanted to carry a gun on the
>hike, to leave it at the car and locked up. ( This is all
>theoretical, as I would have to be going caving! )
>
>If he said no, then I would tell him I am not going caving. If that
>failed, then I would want to make sure the gun was hidden beyond the
>twilight zone, under a rock, and covered with dirt.
>
>I see no reason to take a gun on a short hike, like Cottonwood Cave,
>or Hidden Cave? Those are BLM caves though, and all National Forest
>lands have had an "open carry," policy for some time. Right?
>Has that policy ever produced a gun related issue with a cave trip?
>
>David Locklear
