I am happy to post the comment if you prefer not to.
On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: > Good night > > > > On Dec 15, 2009, at 12:38 AM, "ellie :)" <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Ttyl. Sleep time >> >> On 12/15/09, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Im sure we can come to an easy agreement at the meeting. The sentence >>> I sent you to forward is very broad and we can add details to the >>> actuall motion as the meeting day approaches. Just dont add or >>> subtract from what I recommended for you to post. You could add... >>> "Silence is consent." That would be a nice touch >>> >>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>> have you had this discussion with anyone else? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had >>>>> been in bed the whole time, no luck though >>>>> >>>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>> Really think we should put that over Cavetex? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) >>>>>> <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to >>>>>>> whatever >>>>>>> related posts: >>>>>>> I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free >>>>>>> Texas Caver >>>>>>> committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where >>>>>>> registered members present can vote for a majority. >>>>>>> Include meeting location details if desired. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to >>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>> hand >>>>>>>> in hand with this? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a >>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>> cover should have to pay for that privilege :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills. >>>>>>>>> Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can >>>>>>>>> table the >>>>>>>>> Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for >>>>>>>>> debate at >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor >>>>>>>>> and make >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> motion to the TSA chair. He will then accept/reject and then >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> registered members present will vote and the majority wins. >>>>>>>>> Sounds >>>>>>>>> fun >>>>>>>>> and simple, right? You in? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Isn't that why you have geek friends? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the >>>>>>>>>>> January >>>>>>>>>>> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im >>>>>>>>>>> embarrassed >>>>>>>>>>> that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote >>>>>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> ideas. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched >>>>>>>>>>>> to an >>>>>>>>>>>> aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in >>>>>>>>>>>> computers >>>>>>>>>>>> tho, LOL >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) >>>>>>>>>>>> <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will >>>>>>>>>>>>> lay >>>>>>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next >>>>>>>>>>>>> meeting. >>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>> have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>>>>> have material prepared as well >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it will bring in more members in the long run. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The information should be free. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support having a small income for the organization. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> market >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him though(you)-i wont >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> matching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> donate $100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within seconds of The TEXAS CAVER being made a free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caver >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sign up for a free subscription. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subscribing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be solicited to join TSA but membership should >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for receiving all the good caving information aimed at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bettering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of caving in Texas. As a caver and TSA member I, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personally, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every caver in Texas to be reading TSA promotional >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> material, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, articles about equipment and techniques, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> science, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> events which they can support by attending, trip and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reports, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating personally by attending TSA conventions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> articles to The TEXAS CAVER themselves, all of which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am selfish. I want all of these non-TSA members to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> read The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I will benefit from them being more informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not have to be TSA members to be better cavers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers, and well qualified and participating members >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, if they simply read and contribute to The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation is good for me, it is good for you, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving. That is probably the most valuable service >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers and caving in Texas--keeping EVERYONE informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better participant in Texas caving. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I coined a phrase in 1969, "As The TEXAS CAVER goes, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so goes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that is still true today. If The TEXAS CAVER is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> made >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas cavers digitally and free then we will see a much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group of Texas cavers taking the bait to become >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping it reach it's selfish aims and purposes--a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> major >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> part >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting Texas caving--for ALL of us, not just the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> few. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally come, my fellow Texas cavers, to do something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selves. It costs the TSA nothing to give The TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> away >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digitally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs the TSA and Texas caving a lot not to. If you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish for yourself and for all the other Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earliest opportunity to separate The CAVER from TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to any digital subscriber. Otherwise, we're just >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> preaching >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choir. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours in Texas caving (for nearly 43 years now), >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "mark.al...@l-3com.com" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mark.al...@l-3com.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Karen! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >
