I suggested all this to Mark and that we discuss it in Jan. He is cool w/ it. Jerry wants resolution...your post would be the answer everyone is waiting for
On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: > have you had this discussion with anyone else? > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:20 AM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had >> been in bed the whole time, no luck though >> >> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>> Really think we should put that over Cavetex? >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to whatever >>>> related posts: >>>> I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver >>>> committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where >>>> registered members present can vote for a majority. >>>> Include meeting location details if desired. >>>> >>>> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>> Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to go hand >>>>> in hand with this? >>>>> >>>>> I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a hard >>>>> cover should have to pay for that privilege :) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills. >>>>>> Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can table the >>>>>> Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for debate at the >>>>>> Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor and make a >>>>>> motion to the TSA chair. He will then accept/reject and then the >>>>>> registered members present will vote and the majority wins. Sounds fun >>>>>> and simple, right? You in? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>> I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Isn't that why you have geek friends? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the January >>>>>>>> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im embarrassed >>>>>>>> that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and wrote >>>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> ideas. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched to an >>>>>>>>> aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in >>>>>>>>> computers >>>>>>>>> tho, LOL >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will lay out >>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>> simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next meeting. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You >>>>>>>>>> probably >>>>>>>>>> have material prepared as well >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, and >>>>>>>>>>> while >>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>> think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for free, I >>>>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>>>> that it will bring in more members in the long run. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The information should be free. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) >>>>>>>>>>> <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA member, you >>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>> support having a small income for the organization. I will offer >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way think that >>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>> should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to market >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> him though(you)-i wont >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement within the >>>>>>>>>>>>> last >>>>>>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>>>>>> or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark about >>>>>>>>>>>>> matching >>>>>>>>>>>>> that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and donate $100 to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> within seconds of The TEXAS CAVER being made a free >>>>>>>>>>>>>> publication >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>>>> caver >>>>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sign up for a free subscription. Subscribing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> non-TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> members >>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be solicited to join TSA but membership should not be a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for receiving all the good caving information aimed at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bettering >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cause >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of caving in Texas. As a caver and TSA member I, personally, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> every caver in Texas to be reading TSA promotional material, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> safety >>>>>>>>>>>>>> information, articles about equipment and techniques, cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>> science, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming >>>>>>>>>>>>>> events which they can support by attending, trip and cave >>>>>>>>>>>>>> reports, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> participating personally by attending TSA conventions and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>>>>>>> articles to The TEXAS CAVER themselves, all of which will also >>>>>>>>>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ME. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> am selfish. I want all of these non-TSA members to read The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because I will benefit from them being more informed and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>> do not have to be TSA members to be better cavers. But they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers, and well qualified and participating members of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving >>>>>>>>>>>>>> community, if they simply read and contribute to The TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation is good for me, it is good for you, and it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> caving. That is probably the most valuable service the TSA can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> cavers and caving in Texas--keeping EVERYONE informed so they >>>>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>> better participant in Texas caving. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I coined a phrase in 1969, "As The TEXAS CAVER goes, so goes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA." >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>> think that is still true today. If The TEXAS CAVER is made >>>>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Texas cavers digitally and free then we will see a much better >>>>>>>>>>>>>> informed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> group of Texas cavers taking the bait to become members of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> helping it reach it's selfish aims and purposes--a major part >>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> promoting Texas caving--for ALL of us, not just the few. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>> finally come, my fellow Texas cavers, to do something for our >>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>>>>> selves. It costs the TSA nothing to give The TEXAS CAVER away >>>>>>>>>>>>>> digitally. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> costs the TSA and Texas caving a lot not to. If you want to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>>>> selfish for yourself and for all the other Texas cavers vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> earliest opportunity to separate The CAVER from TSA >>>>>>>>>>>>>> membership, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>> free to any digital subscriber. Otherwise, we're just >>>>>>>>>>>>>> preaching >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> choir. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours in Texas caving (for nearly 43 years now), >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> digital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "mark.al...@l-3com.com" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mark.al...@l-3com.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Karen! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>>>> texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
