Yes. Ive been sick for 4 days- ive been thinking a lot. Wish I had been in bed the whole time, no luck though
On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: > Really think we should put that over Cavetex? > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:14 AM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> wrote: >> So, copy and paste this following message and forward it to whatever >> related posts: >> I motion to table this discussion and refer it to the Free Texas Caver >> committee to be discussed at the January 10th TSA meeting where >> registered members present can vote for a majority. >> Include meeting location details if desired. >> >> On 12/15/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>> Sure, do you think we should bring up the 2 tier membership to go hand >>> in hand with this? >>> >>> I dont' know what the costs should be, but people who want a hard >>> cover should have to pay for that privilege :) >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:57 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> Yes, many geek friends w/ technological skills. >>>> Will you be the Free Texas Caver committee chair? We can table the >>>> Texas Caver conversation now and you can bring it up for debate at the >>>> Jan meeting. At the Jan meeting, you will obtain the floor and make a >>>> motion to the TSA chair. He will then accept/reject and then the >>>> registered members present will vote and the majority wins. Sounds fun >>>> and simple, right? You in? >>>> >>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>> I'm somewhat familiar with RRO, read through it years ago. >>>>> >>>>> Isn't that why you have geek friends? >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:13 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> I majored in Business. I will forward you a script for the January >>>>>> business meeting- Roberts Rule of Order, its simple. Im embarrassed >>>>>> that I thought black meant red. I suck w/ computers. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>> Just thoughts rambling through my head, never sat down and wrote down >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> ideas. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, went to A&M for a few years for comp sci and switched to an >>>>>>> aeronautical school to get my pilot's license. Am back in computers >>>>>>> tho, LOL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:10 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Free thinker! Did you go to a liberal arts school? I will lay out a >>>>>>>> simple, organized way to bring this issue up at the next meeting. I >>>>>>>> have thought it through but will not propose it myself. You probably >>>>>>>> have material prepared as well >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> I'm not condoning of getting rid of the membership fees, and while >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> think a few may quit paying if they can get the TC for free, I >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> that it will bring in more members in the long run. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The information should be free. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 9:07 PM, ellie :) <ellie.tho...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> I didnt know you felt this way and thought as a TSA member, you >>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> support having a small income for the organization. I will offer >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> give Gill my prize of a 2010 membership but in no way think that >>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>> should be no membership fees. I am glad he has someone to market >>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>> him though(you)-i wont >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09, Charles Goldsmith <wo...@justfamily.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Gil, I seem to remember you making that statement within the last >>>>>>>>>>> year >>>>>>>>>>> or so, about the $100 donation. I also seem to remark about >>>>>>>>>>> matching >>>>>>>>>>> that, and I'll stand by it. I'll donate $100 as well. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Charles >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:44 PM, Gill Edigar <gi...@att.net> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. >>>>>>>>>>>> Brooks <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go digital >>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger will renew his lapsed TSA membership and donate $100 to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>> within seconds of The TEXAS CAVER being made a free publication >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>>>>>> caver >>>>>>>>>>>> who wants to sign up for a free subscription. Subscribing >>>>>>>>>>>> non-TSA >>>>>>>>>>>> members >>>>>>>>>>>> should be solicited to join TSA but membership should not be a >>>>>>>>>>>> requirement >>>>>>>>>>>> for receiving all the good caving information aimed at bettering >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> cause >>>>>>>>>>>> of caving in Texas. As a caver and TSA member I, personally, >>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>>>> every caver in Texas to be reading TSA promotional material, >>>>>>>>>>>> safety >>>>>>>>>>>> information, articles about equipment and techniques, cave >>>>>>>>>>>> science, >>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming >>>>>>>>>>>> events which they can support by attending, trip and cave >>>>>>>>>>>> reports, >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> participating personally by attending TSA conventions and >>>>>>>>>>>> contributing >>>>>>>>>>>> articles to The TEXAS CAVER themselves, all of which will also >>>>>>>>>>>> benefit >>>>>>>>>>>> ME. >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> am selfish. I want all of these non-TSA members to read The >>>>>>>>>>>> TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER >>>>>>>>>>>> because I will benefit from them being more informed and better >>>>>>>>>>>> cavers. >>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>> do not have to be TSA members to be better cavers. But they can >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>>>> cavers, and well qualified and participating members of the >>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>> caving >>>>>>>>>>>> community, if they simply read and contribute to The TEXAS >>>>>>>>>>>> CAVER. >>>>>>>>>>>> And >>>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>>> participation is good for me, it is good for you, and it is good >>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>> Texas >>>>>>>>>>>> caving. That is probably the most valuable service the TSA can >>>>>>>>>>>> provide >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> cavers and caving in Texas--keeping EVERYONE informed so they >>>>>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>> better participant in Texas caving. >>>>>>>>>>>> I coined a phrase in 1969, "As The TEXAS CAVER goes, so goes the >>>>>>>>>>>> TSA." >>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>> think that is still true today. If The TEXAS CAVER is made >>>>>>>>>>>> available >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> all >>>>>>>>>>>> Texas cavers digitally and free then we will see a much better >>>>>>>>>>>> informed >>>>>>>>>>>> group of Texas cavers taking the bait to become members of the >>>>>>>>>>>> TSA >>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> helping it reach it's selfish aims and purposes--a major part of >>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>>> promoting Texas caving--for ALL of us, not just the few. The >>>>>>>>>>>> time >>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>> finally come, my fellow Texas cavers, to do something for our >>>>>>>>>>>> selfish >>>>>>>>>>>> selves. It costs the TSA nothing to give The TEXAS CAVER away >>>>>>>>>>>> digitally. >>>>>>>>>>>> It >>>>>>>>>>>> costs the TSA and Texas caving a lot not to. If you want to do >>>>>>>>>>>> something >>>>>>>>>>>> selfish for yourself and for all the other Texas cavers vote at >>>>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> earliest opportunity to separate The CAVER from TSA membership, >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> free to any digital subscriber. Otherwise, we're just preaching >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> choir. >>>>>>>>>>>> Yours in Texas caving (for nearly 43 years now), >>>>>>>>>>>> --Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:35 PM, John P. Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>> <jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to save the TSA from financial ruin....I will go digital >>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ediger >>>>>>>>>>>>> renews his membership. Anyone else willing to make that >>>>>>>>>>>>> commitment? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/14/09 1:14 PM, "mark.al...@l-3com.com" >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mark.al...@l-3com.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back, Karen! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if we could only get Ediger to rejoin! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >
