Your group was very generous with their helpful replies. Very much appreciated!

Robert


----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Goldsmith" <wo...@justfamily.org>
To: "Fofo" <gonza...@msu.edu>
Cc: "Robert Graham" <r...@localaccess.com>; <texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: cave/cavern questions for book


There are a lot of qualified people that could answer these questions,
feel free to subscribe to our mailing list Robert and post your
questions and you'll get a lot of comments.  Best technical
consultants you'll find :)

Charles

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 6:02 PM, Fofo<gonza...@msu.edu> wrote:
Hi!

Hmm... Wow, I guess there could be a flood of answers. OK, here are my
comments:


1. In a long tunnel - c. 6� wide x c. 8� high; about a quarter of a
mile in length - can a sensitive person detect changes in air pressure,
humidity, and smells, the deeper in and down you travel in this tunnel?

The pressure gradient in the atmosphere is not big enough to feel it when
merely walking through a passage and getting deeper into a cave. Changes in
humidity and smell, yes, you can feel those (but they are not necessarily
related to changes in depth).



2. Can you feel air moving in such a long tunnel that leads to an air
shaft?

Yes -- if there's air movement. That is, a tunnel leading to a pit open to
the surface doesn't necessarily have airflow through it.


3. If you hover over an air shaft on the surface, can you feel/detect
air movement going in or out?

Yes (again, if there is air movement).


4. If you are in a cave, tunnel, or cavern for up to three days, do you
lose track of time?
Could a person go to sleep for several hours and wake up, thinking
it must be morning?

Yes, because you lack any indication of whether or not it is day or night.
Without watches and in a cave, people tend to still adopt a roughly 24-hr
cycle, of about 12 hrs or activity/12 hrs of rest, but the "day" _could_
start at, say, 3 am, and since you don't have anything to tell you that, you
go happily about your business.



5. What significant developments can a person experience in long term
caving?

Hmm... Great friends and cool stories? :)
I'm not sure I understand the question. Is it like, what could be the
effects of extremely long stays in caves? Or more like what happens when
someone caves often and has been doing it for a long time?
Under the total darkness and (sometimes) silence of a cave, some people's
brain may start providing their own stimulus via visual or auditory
hallucinations, but I guess there is some adaptation to it, because cavers
routinely spend weeks underground while exploring hard caves without any
problems (but in those cases there are plenty of stimuli around, like other
cavers).

- Fofo


Mark Alman wrote, on 22/6/09 14:51:

Hey, Robert.
I'm no expert, but, I will post your message to CaveTex, where folks
much more intelligent, experienced, and educated than I can, hopefully,
help.
OK, y'all, time to dazzle Robert with your collective brilliance!
Thanks and good luck on your story!
Mark


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*From:* Robert Graham <r...@localaccess.com>
*To:* chair...@cavetexas.org
*Sent:* Monday, June 22, 2009 1:39:32 PM
*Subject:* cave/cavern questions

Hello.
I'm co-writing a sci-fi adventure story, and would like to ask for help
on several questions (that I can think of now, anyway) concerning tunnels
and caverns.
My characters are now in one of a series of caverns and will be traveling
through them for up to 25 miles. The caverns are both natural and man-made, deliberately designed and connected for underground transportation. Two of
the group of four have calcium carbide lamps fixed to their helmets.
1. In a long tunnel - c. 6� wide x c. 8� high; about a quarter of a mile
in length - can a sensitive person detect changes in air pressure, humidity,
and smells, the deeper in and down you travel in this tunnel?
2. Can you feel air moving in such a long tunnel that leads to an air
shaft?
3. If you hover over an air shaft on the surface, can you feel/detect
air movement going in or out?
4. If you are in a cave, tunnel, or cavern for up to three days, do you
lose track of time?
Could a person go to sleep for several hours and wake up, thinking it
must be morning?
5. What significant developments can a person experience in long term
caving?
If you are not in a position to respond, can you direct me to someone who
can?
Thanks for any help.
Robert Graham
Warshington state, USA
or
46� 28' 28" North
122� 56' 44" West
http://seventhorder.c-corp.net/


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