Don't get your girdle in a knot! A lot of us "old folks" don't have houses (although I've now been approved for a modest home loan) and many of the pensions people thought they were going to have are now non-existent. If you want to blame somebody (and there's certainly enough blame to go around), add to your blame list the lenders who encouraged people with bad credit and spending habits to borrow beyond their means and borrowers who couldn't tell the difference between what they needed and what they wanted. They may have wanted that new SUV and the 5,000 sq ft house, but did they really need them? Were they all Republicans? I'm sure that many of those borrowers and lenders were Democrats or of no affiliation. One thing for sure, greed and bad judgement are not the sole purview or raison d'etre of Republicans. Blaming is easy, ferreting out the truth is hard. My parents were children of the depression. I grew up in a very fiscally conservative home. Debt and borrowing were discouraged at my house. I'm not sure who raised this generation who thought they were entitled to run this nation into debt, but it wasn't my generation. Life is easy; comedy is hard!
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 16:34:24 -0700From: posadazul@yahoo.comTo: fh...@townandcountryins.com; o...@texascavers.com; csnicholson@sbcglobal.netCC: russ.k.johnson@westonsolutions.comSubject: [ot_caving] Republican Hypocrisy This Republican Hypocrisy just burns my butt! Because of Bush's banking deregulation and free market policies our Government has just been forced to bail out the mortgage lenders and investment banks in an attempt to keep our economy and the world economy from crashing. That was a bitter pill for all of us to swallow, we're still trying to digest it, and yet some of you have the unmitigated GALL to complain about someone who is offering an alternative plan. Bush's administration has not been fiscally conservative. They authorize DEFICIT SPENDING with no funding mechanism. This passing of such a HUGE debt on the younger generations is inciting culture wars. Have you noticed that the younger folk are lining up to vote against you? All of you old folks who have your homes and your pensions and health care and savings accounts should at least try to envision what kind of world you will be leaving behind. It's not going to be pretty. Terri --- On Thu, 10/9/08, Scott Nicholson <csnichol...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: From: Scott Nicholson <csnichol...@sbcglobal.net>Subject: Re: [ot_caving] andrew basevichTo: "Fritz Holt" <fh...@townandcountryins.com>, "Off Topic" <o...@texascavers.com>Cc: "Russ K Johnson" <russ.k.john...@westonsolutions.com>Date: Thursday, October 9, 2008, 11:33 AMWe agree on Obama also....he represents the expanion of entitlements and high taxes.... It's sorta funny to me that people I talk to say they like the progams Obama pledges to put into place once he's elected....but they have no clue that funding for those programs will come out of our pockets!! The other day I heard someone ask, "why aren't we marching on Washington with torches & pitchforks?" My answer is, "I don't have a pitchfork." :-) ciao, Scott Nicholson, Broker KW Commercial 512-947-2688 Discovery Realty Group www.DiscoveryAustin.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> To: Scott Nicholson <csnichol...@sbcglobal.net>; Off Topic <o...@texascavers.com> Cc: Russ K Johnson <russ.k.john...@westonsolutions.com> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 11:22:46 AM Subject: RE: [ot_caving] andrew basevich I enjoyed reading about your individual position and opinion which is not too unlike mine. McCain was not my first choice as the Republican candidate but I feel that he represents my (and most tax-paying citizens) best interests. Obama is an unknown factor but it is a certainty that his administration will initiate greater government spending and bigger government involvement in all of our lives, not to mention higher taxes to pay for the spending. He will certainly not reduce government spending (waste) which is the number one problem with our government. Obama's policies will be very detrimental to most citizens but even more-so to businesses, big and small. Time will tell but let's hope that I am wrong should Obama be elected, which is probable. Fritz -----Original Message----- From: Scott Nicholson [mailto:csnichol...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 10:45 AM To: Fritz Holt; Off Topic Cc: Russ K Johnson Subject: Re: [ot_caving] andrew basevich The only problem I have with McCain, aside from the insulting pick of Palin as a running mate, is that he's an insider....has been for over 20 years. It's indisputable that he's a total badass and hero...but, to me (and in my own humble opinion) he represents one face of the machine that runs our whole country and maybe even the world. My wife and I have a nice older home (we put 20% down and have a very low mortgage payment) and two older cars (an '05 Subaru and '99 Yukon) which we will keep and maintain until it's not cost-effective. We have no debt other than our mortgage and a student loan payment. We live on cash...no credit. We try to live like our grandparents did...although we probably have a few more luxuries than they...we occasionally eat out and have some "stuff" like big TVs and we travel some....overall we're very conservative when compared with our peer group. We' also consider ourselves very fortunate! We're Constitutionally and fiscally conservtive...although when most people say "conservative" these days they mean morally conservative.......I don't call myself morally conservative. That's a whole other topic. :-) I agree, Fritz, on the tax issue. I'm self-employed and we pay an obscenely large tax bill each year....Obscene! Anyone out there educated on the Fair Tax plan? I don't know too much about it but I've heard it proposed that everyone pay a flat 10%.....I'd have to have plastic surgery to remove the grin from my face if all I had to pay was 10%...!! Scott Nicholson, Broker KW Commercial 512-947-2688 Discovery Realty Group www.DiscoveryAustin.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Fritz Holt <fh...@townandcountryins.com> To: Scott Nicholson <csnichol...@sbcglobal.net>; Off Topic <o...@texascavers.com> Cc: Russ K Johnson <russ.k.john...@westonsolutions.com> Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2008 10:25:10 AM Subject: RE: [ot_caving] andrew basevich My wife and I have two nice homes, older automobiles (02&87) and NO DEBT. We are most fortunate (except for my wife being married to me) and we are conservative in our lifestyle and our politics. We are against more and higher taxes as we already pay more than we should. This is one of several reasons that I am voting for John McCain with no apology. Uncle Sam nicks us good for the privilege of living in the greatest (freest) nation on the planet. I only wish that I could convince my precious wife to leave the congested, over taxed war zone known as Houston in favor of The Hill Country. Fritz -----Original Message----- From: Scott Nicholson [mailto:csnichol...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 5:50 PM To: Off Topic Cc: Russ K Johnson Subject: [ot_caving] andrew basevich A guy I wouldn't normally read (he's too conservative for my general tastes), Andrew Basevich, said something smart lately. Basevich is a Vietnam/Gulf War vet, retired colonel, West Point grad, Johns' Hopkins professor, etc.... He said he couuld trace our current financial crisis on our "mistaking freedom for consumerism". I agree with him... We've shifted to a mindset wherein it is our birthright as Americans to rabidly consume...often beyond our means. We live our lifestyle on the soulders of the rest of the world.... Our #1 industry is now credit servicing; in the early 70's it was manufacturing. Our entire cultural midset has devolved into rampant comsumerism...... The housing fiasco, greed on Wall St., everyone credit-carded to the max...it's downright scary! And sorta sad to see our great country wallowing in a Huge Mess that was forseeable/preventable (at best) and probably repeatable (at worst). 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