Funding, Arlen, Jed in the past and others raise the thorny issue of funding. I will too. I would be dropping money on Arlen and Jed , bimlas and others if I were not (mostly) unemployed. I too have a number of ideas and changes, I think most people would like be compensated where possible, I want to contribute a lot more as well but find it hard to justify my effort when if I do not earn money soon my partner may kick me out (only half in Jest). I recently thought of running some small campaigns to seek funding for my own work, but *I would urge those already seeking funding to persist and promote.*
I think we are all very careful and polite on this when often people are generous and understand that time and skills are money, Perhaps we can start a seperate thread on this? Regards Tony On Monday, November 18, 2019 at 2:03:52 PM UTC+11, TonyM wrote: > > Folks, > > This post is seeking input from the community to overcome what I perceive > to be the last big issue in saving. It may seem only suited to experienced > users but perhaps you know something we don't, so please be brave and > contribute. > > I may have an opportunity in coming months to work with a team of > videographers in their off season. They do "things for good" and my thought > was to build a nice application (on tiddlywiki) for people to explore how > they or their business can participate in reaching the *Sustainable > Development Goals (SDG's)*. This will promote the SDG's, their work, my > work and the power of TiddlyWiki, but there seems to me, to still be an > elephant in the room - saving. > > *How do we enable saving tiddlywikis for naive and casual users?* > > To be sure, I am across most saving mechanisms, and some are very good and > quite easy to set up a very sophisticated solution, I use Timimi, > TiddlyServer, TiddlyDesktop and Bob.exe > > Imagine someone visits my SDG app online > > - They could use it and apply changes but not save it > - With local storage and save some changes in the browser but they may > be lost later > - They Can download it easily enough, even with their in browser or > local storage content > - But if they wish to open it again, make changes and save they then > need to consider this https://tiddlywiki.com/#GettingStarted - scary > for many. > > Basically I think tiddlywiki is brilliant and we have lots of wonderful > options for saving, once someone gets involved with the ecosystem, I > believe any nodeJS solution is hard to secure on the internet and like > NoteSelf we have to manage the server, but it seems we are so close to a > better single file solution (My Opinion). > > I know some saving mechanisms come close to helping *naive and casual > users* however their remains a need to take unfamiliar steps, that can be > quite fragile, especially to those not overly computer literate. Saving > under downloads folders, running batches and installing local apps are all > impediments to *naive and casual users* in my view, as this becomes > Operating system dependant, demands more trust, will not work in many > locked down cases and more. > > I am starting this thread to try and inspire some serious creativity to > overcome this barrier. Here are some ideas floating in my head but I am > keen to hear from you. > > - Any idea is a good idea > - A diversity of ideas in needed > - We may need to "think outside the box" > - Can an existing solution be better engineered to meet these goals? > > Some of my own musings > > - One approach may be to never download the whole wiki, but store the > changes in a separate file that is automatically loaded over the in > browser > one, and saved only by saving changes back to the nominated file. > - Building all the necessary content to install Timimi or another > saver from the single wiki (No other document or external info required) > Not yet chrome and IE > - A Form of bob.exe/TiddlyDesktop that can be loaded with a custom > tiddlywiki that shows only that wiki unless some settings are changed in > the control panel. Ie a single local installable. > - A Way of packaging a TiddlyWiki with Node.exe and hosting on a port > that will not clash with other server hosts, perhaps an packaged extension > of TiddlySaver. > - I was inspired to open this up to the community after playing with > bookmarklets > and Jeremy's solution > > <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/bookmarklets%7Csort:date/tiddlywiki/pTInT6T4gMs/iJV5P-RPAgAJ> > because > javascript can be loaded into bookmarks I wonder if it could be used to > save changes to local tiddlywiki files and reimport on click. > - I also looked at solutions such as > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMacros which suggests there may be > other ways to achieve the desired results. > - IPFS, BeakerBrowser, CouchDB or saving to a MYSQL or even a > wordpress database? > > > All I want for Christmas is a simple way for *naive and casual users *to > save their tiddlywiki (again and again) > > Yours Sincerely > Tony > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/039df786-be22-48cb-9482-48bf9e065d00%40googlegroups.com.
