On Saturday, April 25, 2020 at 2:40:18 PM UTC+4:30, Edgaras wrote: > > Thank you for the warm welcome everyone and your responses! 😊 > > –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– > > First of all, thanks to *Anne-Laure*, for republishing the TiddlyWiki on > ProductHunt, where it caught my attention and then invited me to this > community! > > –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– > > This is one of the best collection of Tiddlywiki resources on the net. > > > *Mohmmad*, thank you for sharing this resource, it will definitely come > in handy considering the key features and further into development. > > –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– > > *Tony,* thank you for the inputs, your interest and open mind! > > You are already mentioning bunch of great points: > >> >> - TiddlyWiki can already do or be many things >> >> >> - This presents a dilemma, because how do you set a basic standard >> look for a chameleon? >> >> This is why I am so excited about, it's super powerful, but somehow it > seems a bit overwhelming, with all the features shouting for the > importance. The tool could be as blank as it can be, while displaying first > possible actions, and then introducing complexity as you engage within a > context. > > >> - TiddlyWiki is the answer to so many questions, but which question >> are you trying to answer? >> >> >> - There are already innovative tiddlywiki layouts like a trello look >> alike, the Murri plugin and much more >> >> As I see it, TW should be as it is – super powerful personal notebook, > with a possibility to quickly and simply publish static website, as if > possible (don't know much about it) a collaborative writing tool. Some of > the things that I see are missing: > > 1. Simple and intuitive interface that feels nice and simple to sit in > front of every morning (e.g. Bear app, Notion, Typora) > 2. Making sure that the notes are as modular and interconnected as > possible with backlinks etc. (yet still simple). (RoamResearch achieves > that quite well, but it can be better) > 3. Yet, NONE of those powerful ones are free and personal tools for > the new digital knowledge age. I believe everyone has a right to their own > personal digital knowledge management, publishing and collaboration. > > I've seen some of TW themes, but it feels more like as a surface redesign, > but underlying issues are there. Yes, some corrections on usability and > some nice features like sidebar are there, but many things like fonts, > icons, animations, white space feels odd, as most importantly, not much is > improved in the usability of editing. Also, obviously I haven't seen > enough! Please share if something minimal exist already. > > > I have a vision for such a solution I would be happy to share if you want >> to consider taking it on. > > > I would love to hear your vision if you are willing to share! Both on the > strategy and design, let's collaborate. We can discuss here + draft a more > structured google docs + prioritize tasks on Trello + share the actual > design vision and comment on Figma prototype. > > > One way I would like to see the recent discussions evolve is a bit like >> how developers may use wordpress as the back end and write their own front >> end. > > > Could you explain a bit more what do you mean here? > > > When it comes to static site generation, there are great mechanisms in >> tiddlywiki to do this already as no doubt people see, but to make it really >> powerful we need to improve and support the workflow and templates used to >> do this. > > > I really want to dig deeper into the current state of art of TW's static > site generation. It must be as simple as in any other SSG, but even > simplier! I like what Publii <https://getpublii.com/> is doing. You just > write you site visually and then publish to GitHub Pages or SFTP as a > static site with one click (+ first time simple settup). > > > Tiddlywiki as a platform, Software Development Kit, Personal Productivity >> tool, site generator, database.... interface design ... is almost infinite. >> > > >> I would like to see a responsive theme that contains elements that come >> into use only if given content and obeys a set of rules that allows almost >> any design structure, with default that result in what we currently see, >> but a small set of changes transforms it. > > > That's how I see it too! Simple, responsive, contextual, prioritised. > There should no unnecessary switching "modes", viewing and editing should > feel as one coherent flow. And all the power of the tool can come into the > right place, but it should to be prioritised. > > –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– > > *Mat *good idea! Is it possible somehow to tag Jeremy here so he can see > this post? Otherwise I will try to find him:) > > –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– > > We don't have to overthink it to start with! Yesterday I quickly mocked up > the front page of how the revamped TW could look/work/feel like. It's not > finished AT ALL, just making some ideas tangible: > > *TW revamp v0.01 > <https://www.figma.com/proto/TCQj1L5v85AEB0RUqDMA8a/TiddliWiki-revamp?node-id=1%3A2&viewport=349%2C351%2C0.4002481698989868&scaling=scale-down-width>* > > *You are welcome to comment on top of prototype! And ask me if you want to > edit!* >
To review and comment is it required to sign up to Figma? > > Addressing: > > - Visual layout (font, colors, white space, removing not first > priority elements) > - Modeless / Contextual – it does not have to switch to fully > different mode for editing. Editing and viewing happens at once. You > interact with the smaller elements to get into the deeper editing "mode". > For example if you interact with tags - you edit tags, if you interact > with > your writing cursor with the link in the text, you edit that link. As a > result all the options are less overwhelming, it's more contextual. > - More advanced editing features and meta data is hidden one click > away *⋮* > > We can run this as a branch experiment of TW revamp, have less features to > start with, but then we can prioritise and reintroduced the features to > match the simplicity. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/34e1a920-b332-44f8-b734-07ae1fdbc4f8%40googlegroups.com.
