Victor/skaczm...@gmail.com, With respect this experience of yours skaczm...@gmail.com is not mine. I thus feel I need to present a dissenting view.
Unless very big, or editing the current tiddler incorrectly or with too much occurring on the screen at once my single file wikis are almost never "laggy", in every case there are options to reduce such lag. This can be helped with large wikis on servers if using special features such as external media and skinny tiddlers but many of the same techniques used on single file wikis, can be needed even on a server wiki, due to the way it is loaded into browser memory. Keep in mind skinny tiddlers are like searchwikis indexes, you can not necessarily search there content unless they are loaded. Victor specifically, If you want to search the full tiddlers text and other fields from inside a wiki ultimately you actually want these tiddlers inside your wiki. Depending on the way you will maintain your data a lot can still be done. As I suggested in my previous relies a lot of this is what is you work flow and wiki interchange, why are you searching, what kind of thing are you looking for and what do you want to do with it when you find it? As I suggested if you are looking for details within a bibliography entry go to that dedicated wiki. Typically Bibliographies and Glossaries and other kinds of cumulative reference information shared through out an organisation are independent resources and the title is the key to that reference and find for integration into other solutions. Thus the search wikis indexing of titles is sufficient, if you need deeper research go to the reference wiki, then have a method to transfer your results to the current wiki if needed. Alternatively you could publish your bibliography as a plugin tiddler and drop it on your working wiki, or via a library. Regards Tones On Monday, 9 November 2020 07:01:15 UTC+11, skaczm...@gmail.com wrote: > > @Victor Dorneanu, buddy, if I may suggest you something, I think it is > way better to go for "server" solution of tiddlty wiki like TW5-Bob > <https://github.com/OokTech/TW5-Bob> or node js than single file wiki. I > used single file approach when I started with Tiddly Wiki and it gets laggy > very quick and you are not able to get anything from this wiki if enything > breaks. In "server approach" each tiddler is a separate file, each image is > kept in its original, file form instead of hard coding it. You have much > more possibilities to remediate in case of trouble. > > niedziela, 8 listopada 2020 o 20:53:29 UTC+1 skaczm...@gmail.com > napisał(a): > >> I did tests of TW-Searchwikis <https://kookma.github.io/TW-Searchwikis/> >> plugin today and it seems to me like it is only looking for text in title >> and tags, not in the body of tiddler. Please tell me if it is possible to >> make it look for searched text also in the body of tiddler, because without >> that it is useless for me, because I decided to use generic and auto >> incremented names of tiddlers in order to save time and confusion of coming >> up with unique names. >> >> piątek, 6 listopada 2020 o 09:16:28 UTC+1 Victor Dorneanu napisał(a): >> >>> Yeah, thanks for your clarifications. At least I think I know how this >>> *might >>> *work. But I guess "Searchwikis" will definitely improve the search >>> across multiple wikis. And as you already mentioned: I need to find a >>> method how to share indices across multiple wikis in a convenient way. >>> >>> Thanks for your input. >>> >>> Victor >>> >>> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 1:09:30 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: >>> >>>> Victor, >>>> >>>> Since a bibliography is an index, perhaps it (the wiki) can contain >>>> the search part of mohammads "Searchwikis" that make use of an index of >>>> each/all wikis making use of bibliographic entries. After a little work on >>>> your on your *zettelkasten* Wiki generate an index and drop it on the >>>> bibliograqphic wiki, now a search on the bibliographic wiki will also be a >>>> search of the *zettelkasten wiki* >>>> On the *zettelkasten wiki* create a method to find one or more >>>> references to the same bibliographic link. >>>> >>>> We can make this almost seamless with more work, but my point is to >>>> develop the appropriate practice. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> Tones >>>> >>>> >>>> On Friday, 6 November 2020 11:00:33 UTC+11, TW Tones wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Victor, >>>>> >>>>> Sorry for the confusion, replace my use of the word Glossary With >>>>> Bibliography. >>>>> >>>>> What is a back link?, it shows you where that entry is in use in other >>>>> tiddlers. >>>>> >>>>> Having a separate bibliography html, you create and name bibliographic >>>>> entries. In the First wiki you provide a link to the bibliographic entry >>>>> using the permalink link / same name. Thus in the first wiki you can link >>>>> to/reference that bibliographic entry multiple times. The equivalent of a >>>>> back link is a search that can find all links to the same bibliographic >>>>> entry (the links to the other wiki) but in searching the first wiki. The >>>>> backlinking in the Bibliographic wiki only points to tiddlers linking to >>>>> the entry in the bibliographical wiki and are of little use. >>>>> >>>>> A much underutilised part of tiddlywiki seems to be the development of >>>>> "soft" practices or procedures, perhaps supported by software (ie >>>>> wikitext, >>>>> widgets and macros). Commonly called work flow. Remember the most >>>>> intelligent part of the whole solution is the human. Teach the human - >>>>> yourself to follow some documented practices and you can solve many >>>>> problems. I have at least a dozen practices like this, including building >>>>> tiddlywiki solutions to build tiddlywiki solutions. It is all quite >>>>> "meta" >>>>> or self referential. >>>>> >>>>> I hope this explains what I have said a little better. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Tones >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 19:35:55 UTC+11, Victor Dorneanu wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm not sure if I understand this correctly. >>>>>> >>>>>> > as you search for a Glossary item, in your *zettelkasten *tiddlywiki, >>>>>> you can have the search also look for the use of that term in >>>>>> *zettelkasten* >>>>>> >>>>>> But I want the search to look for the term in *zettelkasten* and >>>>>> *bibliography* as well. And this is what TW-Searchwikis is about, >>>>>> right? >>>>>> >>>>>> > If you kept a glossary centrally and its not too big you could >>>>>> package and install it on any wiki. >>>>>> >>>>>> What do you mean by a glossary? I don't have a central tiddler where >>>>>> I keep track of "terms" that are used in multiple wikis. >>>>>> >>>>>> To give you a more precise example: >>>>>> >>>>>> - I wrote a short summary about David Allen's GTD book >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20The%20Art%20of%20Stress-Free%20Productivity> >>>>>> - There I have a link to GTD >>>>>> <https://brainfck.org/index.html#GTD> which is part of the >>>>>> *zettelkasten* >>>>>> - In the GTD tiddler <https://brainfck.org/index.html#GTD> >>>>>> itself I have a *source field* (origin of information, thanks >>>>>> @bimlas for that) which contains a link back to the tiddler in >>>>>> *bibliography* >>>>>> - Sometimes I want to link to some quotes (for example Getting >>>>>> Things Done - Note 3 >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20Note%203>) >>>>>> in the *zettelkasten* wiki >>>>>> - what I want now to achieve is to show in Getting Things >>>>>> Done - Note 3 >>>>>> >>>>>> <https://brainfck.org/bib.html#Getting%20Things%20Done%20-%20Note%203> >>>>>> which tiddlers in *zettelkasten *(and not only) are >>>>>> pointing to it >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I hope this helps. >>>>>> >>>>>> Victor >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 9:02:59 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Victor, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the same time as you search for a Glossary item, in your >>>>>>> *zettelkasten *tiddlywiki, you can have the search also look for >>>>>>> the use of that term in *zettelkasten .* that is effectively what >>>>>>> the backlinks would be. If you kept a glossary centrally and its not >>>>>>> too >>>>>>> big you could package and install it on any wiki. Drag and drop update. >>>>>>> If >>>>>>> you could go further you copuld let you add glossary items in any wiki >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> have a tool to export additions and include them in the central wiki. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Tones >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, 5 November 2020 18:40:48 UTC+11, Victor Dorneanu wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi everybody, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> somehow I must have missed the notifications for this thread. First >>>>>>>> of all thanks for your replies. I didn't know TW-Searchwikis before >>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>> think that for searching tiddlers in multiple wikis that's definitely >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> perfect tool. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As for "links between multiple wikis" I'll try to give a more >>>>>>>> comprehensive explanation: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - the reason why I've splitted "concerns"/domains/contexts in >>>>>>>> multiple wikis is because of the size: I don't want to have a big >>>>>>>> bloated >>>>>>>> wiki, instead I want to have multiple ones >>>>>>>> - one for the zettelkasten >>>>>>>> - one for the bibliography >>>>>>>> - individual ones for several domains like IT security, >>>>>>>> nutrition, sports etc. >>>>>>>> - one for collection of bookmarks >>>>>>>> - etc. >>>>>>>> - now when I create links e.g. from the *zettelkasten* to the >>>>>>>> *bibliography* wiki, I also need to specify the location of the >>>>>>>> wiki as well (like I've described at the beginning of this thread) >>>>>>>> - imagine after some years you'll have hundreds of links >>>>>>>> from one wiki to another >>>>>>>> - let's say the location of one wiki changes (bib.html >>>>>>>> changes to bibliography.html) >>>>>>>> - then I'll have to update the links to reflect the new wiki >>>>>>>> location (bibliography.html) >>>>>>>> - and that's what I mean by "elegant" >>>>>>>> - regardless of the method I use to interlink between >>>>>>>> multiple wikis there should be a way to update multiple links >>>>>>>> easily >>>>>>>> - and this solution should also work in 15 years :D >>>>>>>> - one thing that is not solved yet (at least I haven't found >>>>>>>> a solution): >>>>>>>> - let's stick to the *zettelkasten* -> *bibliography* >>>>>>>> example (you have several tiddlers in *zettelkasten* >>>>>>>> containing links to tiddlers in *bibliography*) >>>>>>>> - inserting links in the *zettelkasten* to some tiddlers in >>>>>>>> the *bibliography* wiki is easy (I still use the macro >>>>>>>> mentioned before) >>>>>>>> - but how do I show *backlinks* in the *bibliography* wiki? >>>>>>>> - more specific: how can I show which tiddlers in the >>>>>>>> *zettelkasten* wiki point to _this_ specific tiddler in >>>>>>>> the *bibliography* wiki? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hope my post is not that confusing. I'm looking forward to your >>>>>>>> comments and suggestions. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 7:05:57 AM UTC+1 TW Tones wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Victor, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I will backup David's suggestion of Mohammad's searchWikis because >>>>>>>>> you can link to specific tiddler in another wiki but they key is what >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> want to achieve. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The first rule is you can do anything with links you can on any >>>>>>>>> website, use permalinks and permaviews, drag and drop between wikis, >>>>>>>>> iframe >>>>>>>>> one in another and create link that open in the the same target >>>>>>>>> windows/tab. Bob or bobexe is critical if you may open the same wiki >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> edit in different tabs, windows or browsers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Copy to clipboard is a way to take a search string from one wiki >>>>>>>>> to another and a lot more can be done. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I recently responded to someone else's questions on the same >>>>>>>>> subject and someone else was talking about capturing bookmarks with >>>>>>>>> tiddlywiki which can include tiddlywiki itself. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Tones >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sunday, 13 September 2020 20:29:22 UTC+10, Victor Dorneanu >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't know if this topic has been discussed somewhere else, but >>>>>>>>>> I'd like to know if there is any "elegant" solution how to create >>>>>>>>>> links >>>>>>>>>> between tiddlers in different wikis. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I've recently found Tobi Beer's quick'n'dirty solution >>>>>>>>>> <https://tobibeer.github.io/TiddlyWiki5/> which uses several >>>>>>>>>> macros to have something like: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <<. docs Documentation>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> to link to a tiddler called "Documentation" in the "docs" wiki. >>>>>>>>>> If you look at *$:/editions/docs *you'll see a "src" field where >>>>>>>>>> the location of the wiki is specified (in that case docs.html). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I use the same approach for my personal Zettelkasten >>>>>>>>>> <http://brainfck.org/> where I have: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1) one TW instance (single HTML file) for the knowledge base >>>>>>>>>> 2) one TW instance (single HTML file) for bibliography and >>>>>>>>>> sources (web articles etc.) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Are there any other ways to implement this? Thanks in advance. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> KR, >>>>>>>>>> Victor >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/83214fe7-7e68-4b08-8a22-88f04fb133c2o%40googlegroups.com.
