+1 to birthe's comments. I may be reading envy into the comments, and overstating the disdain for bidirectional links. But still, that is the impression the comments gave me. Also, yes I agree, I too prefer TW over cloud options like Roam, though I do find myself gravitating toward an outliner like Dynalist when I want to write quickly and freely. On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 8:18:20 AM UTC-6 strikke...@gmail.com wrote:
> @Dave > I haven't seen anybody discussing the $ made from any of the companies > using backlinks. Most here does not deny that backlinks are useful for some > purposes. I think it is mostly the massive coverage of backlinks as the new > and absolutely most important thing in note taking...that is discussed. The > massive coverage of course has to do with budgets for advertising. The more > it is advertised the more people will discuss the possibilities and use > what is on offer. > > Your Stroll opened my eyes for backlinks - that is to use them more. But > still a person using TIddlywiki and loving it would hardly be envious of > something else. Using a tiddlywiki with someone elses creation/creations, > we are still able to add our own, when we want it, ask if we cannot quite > do it on our own - and have a high chance of getting friendly help. That > really beats them all for me. > > I do love my local single file TW5, but I understand that cloud is popular > and useful, and that has to be paid for naturally. > > Birthe > > > torsdag den 4. marts 2021 kl. 14.28.52 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford: > >> This whole thread feels like people complaining that Roam, and now >> Athens, are making $ from bi-directional links, and we aren't, even though >> TiddlyWiki has had them all along, and then to throw the baby out with the >> bathwater, they are dumping on bi-directional links themselves, as if they >> were bad and useless. Even a hipster comment like "I was using backlinks >> before they were cool" would be more mature than that. Sorry to step on any >> toes, but that's the most obvious way to read most of the comments in this >> thread. >> >> In my case, I use bi-directional links to move quickly between source >> tiddlers, note tiddlers and topic tiddlers in my reading notes TWs. And >> since I have new-here-with-backlink buttons that add some of that >> automatically, it saves me a lot of time. Very helpful. The way Roam used >> bi-directional links opened my eyes to that possibility. I don't find the >> visual graphs in Roam helpful, but many do, and Roam's bi-directional links >> make them happen. And TW has the TiddlyMap that can do the same thing. So >> that is another benefit. >> >> Let's get back to the positive... >> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 3:25:58 PM UTC-6 dieg...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> A YC (venture capital firm) backed open-source Roam alternative launched >>> today on HackerNews: >>> >>> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26316793 >>> >>> Some relevant parts of the announcement (my opinion only): >>> >>> >>> - Athens is an open-source and local-first alternative to Roam >>> Research. Roam Research is a notetaking application, and *what they >>> really got right was the "bidirectional link."* >>> - With bidirectional links, you never have to worry about where you >>> write a note. Bidirectional links allow you to connect any two notes >>> together, creating a knowledge graph. >>> - This is why Athens is about more than just notetaking. *I believe >>> networked applications with bidirectional links and data could become a >>> new >>> category itself.* >>> - Of course, this *bidirectional idea isn't new*. In fact, it goes >>> as far back as the origin of the Web. It's the original concept of >>> hypertext and Xanadu, which Ted Nelson has been advocating for decades. >>> More recently, aspects of it were attempted by the Semantic Web. *Yet >>> the adoption never really caught on, until perhaps now.* >>> - Something else that's interesting about the most powerful >>> networked tools like Roam and Athens is t*hat you can't really make >>> these apps with JavaScript or plaintext/markdown.* *For maximum >>> power, you want a true graph database*. Both Roam and Athens >>> leverage a front-end graph database called DataScript, which is written >>> in >>> Clojure(Script). JavaScript doesn't have a native analog, and Neo4j is >>> only >>> server-side. *This matters because I believe this is the first >>> consumer use case for graph databases*. I believe both Roam and >>> Athens are general-purpose platforms where individuals and organizations >>> can centralize all of their knowledge and tasks. I believe the graph is >>> the >>> right data structure to do this with. >>> >>> >>> I find this fascination with bi-directional links without a huge mention >>> of TW slightly frustrating. >>> >>> Also, his point about a graph database is an interesting one to >>> consider. >>> >>> What are your thoughts? >>> >>> Diego >>> >>> >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/e2a18610-073e-451a-88d3-16b4b96835a7n%40googlegroups.com.
