Ciao dg That is a very GOOD, USEFUL, reply to issues I was trying to articulate--you did better than I did. That is part of the issue. I'm so embedded in basic knowing of TW--I'm getting blind to BASIC SIMPLE NEEDS of many potential users.
IMO we let down potential new users. Part of the issue, as you say, is that it is NOT good for newbies to have to cope with a group that has threads that are so technically complex you have No Idea what they crapping on about. What Newbies need, IMO, is a simple Google group with basic instructions and Q & A. And LINKS to FULL-FEATURED completed TW designed for SPECIFIC PURPOSES so they can download what they need to get on with it and forget everything else. On whether TW is here for the long haul? YES, it is. It is a remarkable bit of kit that has proven resilient for over a decade already. The fact the user base is small compared to TW's huge utility is a sad thing. IMO if we provided more FULLY FORMED apps in a simple way it would get used a lot more. Best wishes Josiah On Sunday, 10 September 2017 16:48:54 UTC+2, dg wrote: > > I'm one of the "newbie's" referred to in this discussion. I know only a > smattering of HTML, even less CSS, and virtually nothing about > client/server or node.js, etc..... I don't even know JavaScript (JS), > although I may learn since it's so pervasive. I have done simple > programming before in FORTRAN and VBA. I currently use Windows, but have > used Unix before. > > I wished for a newbie group on TW. But I wonder if is whether there's > sufficient traffic to make it worthwhile. In fact, my main concern about > learning TW is that it seems a niche tool and I'm not sure of it's long > term prognosis. > > My primary interest in TW is a personal notebook/knowledge-base. Commerial > Wiki's like http://www.wikidot.com/ <http://www.wikidot.com/>would be > perfect for me except data security at work prevents me from putting a lot > of my professional notes in the cloud. Password protected TW file local > to my encrypted hard drive is a viable solution. > > To explain my wish for a newbie group, and concern that it might not work > for TW, please see the following: > > - I learned VIM years ago and, at that time, the very active > "vim-beginners" group was a great way to learn practical tips that > eventually changed my experience of VIM from a nightmare to a dream to > use. > The more advanced VIM groups were way over my head and talked about things > I wasn't interested in (developing plugins, etc.) > - The "vim-beginners" group was a much better way to learn VIM than > reading the manual. At that time, the manual was about the only way to > learn VIM. Recently, there's been a slew of books and web sites providing > lots of information about learning VIM. If I was learning today, the > "vim-beginners" group would not be the best way to learn. > - Like the advanced VIM groups, this TW forum mostly talks about > things over my head and of no real interest to me. It's not a good way to > learn TW. > - Web searches on TW questions return a lot of dated material from TW > Classic, etc. It's not only hard to figure out what applies to TW5, it's > disconcerting to see all the really great tutorials and beginner material > on TW is 5-10 years old. Makes me wonder about the future of TW. > > I hope my input is helpful to your decsion. > > Thx! > -- > -- dg > > On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote: >> >> After a while chickens land ... >> >> As far as i can see THIS group covers EVERYTHING TiddlyWiki. >> >> The groups *TiddlyWikiDocs & TiddlyWikiDev seem very peripheral. Are >> they NEEDED?* >> >> The flipside is that often here dicussion is HIGHLY TECHNICAL >> conversations that some visitor looking to be able to get a bit of software >> to be able to write a memo to grandma would find far too much. >> >> I have a suggestion. >> >> 1 - DUMP TiddlyWikiDocs & TiddlyWikiDev >> >> 2 - START a TiddlyWikiNewbie that contains ONLY info for beginners >> >> In any case the current situation with the groups is more platitude than >> reality. HERE is the hub. Any OTHER group should be the HUB INTRO. IMO. Get >> rid of redundancy. >> >> Best wishes >> Josiah >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/38b35435-4b9c-446f-baee-0dee4193ddfd%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
