I'm one of the "newbie's" referred to in this discussion. I know only a 
smattering of HTML, even less CSS, and virtually nothing about 
client/server or node.js, etc..... I don't even know JavaScript (JS), 
although I may learn since it's so pervasive. I have done simple 
programming before in FORTRAN and VBA. I currently use Windows, but have 
used Unix before. 

I wished for a newbie group on TW. But I wonder if is whether there's 
sufficient traffic to make it worthwhile. In fact, my main concern about 
learning TW is that it seems a niche tool and I'm not sure of it's long 
term prognosis. 

My primary interest in TW is a personal notebook/knowledge-base. Commerial 
Wiki's like http://www.wikidot.com/  <http://www.wikidot.com/>would be 
perfect for me except data security at work prevents me from putting a lot 
of my professional notes in the cloud. Password protected TW file local to 
my encrypted hard drive is a viable solution.

To explain my wish for a newbie group, and concern that it might not work 
for TW, please see the following:

   - I learned VIM years ago and, at that time, the very active 
   "vim-beginners" group was a great way to learn practical tips that 
   eventually changed my experience of VIM from a nightmare to a dream to use. 
   The more advanced VIM groups were way over my head and talked about things 
   I wasn't interested in (developing plugins, etc.)
   - The "vim-beginners" group was a much better way to learn VIM than 
   reading the manual. At that time, the manual was about the only way to 
   learn VIM. Recently, there's been a slew of books and web sites providing 
   lots of information about learning VIM. If I was learning today, the 
   "vim-beginners" group would not be the best way to learn. 
   - Like the advanced VIM groups, this TW forum mostly talks about things 
   over my head and of no real interest to me. It's not a good way to learn TW.
   - Web searches on TW questions return a lot of dated material from TW 
   Classic, etc. It's not only hard to figure out what applies to TW5, it's 
   disconcerting to see all the really great tutorials and beginner material 
   on TW is 5-10 years old. Makes me wonder about the future of TW. 

I hope my input is helpful to your decsion.

Thx!
-- 
 -- dg 

On Tuesday, September 5, 2017 at 3:06:57 PM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> After a while chickens land ...
>
> As far as i can see THIS group covers EVERYTHING TiddlyWiki.
>
> The groups *TiddlyWikiDocs & TiddlyWikiDev seem very peripheral. Are they 
> NEEDED?*
>
> The flipside  is that often here dicussion is HIGHLY TECHNICAL 
> conversations that some visitor looking to be able to get a bit of software 
> to be able to write a memo to grandma would find far too much.
>
> I have a suggestion.
>
> 1 - DUMP TiddlyWikiDocs & TiddlyWikiDev
>
> 2 - START a TiddlyWikiNewbie that contains ONLY info for beginners
>
> In any case the current situation with the groups is more platitude than 
> reality. HERE is the hub. Any OTHER group should be the HUB INTRO. IMO. Get 
> rid of redundancy.
>
> Best wishes
> Josiah 
>

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