Ha! Really interesting issue. Which I'm gonna riff off. PMario..
> I don't want to mess with some ASCII art to get a table going. > I guess the *ASCII art* of tables emerged wit markups to VISUALLY present edit text to be readable before render. A central Gruber point on markup. Your version is *proto-code*, NOT simple "visual markup". Its instructions, then content. It is NOT the thing Core Markup Ideas are into. And therein is EXACTLY the limits I'm trying to talk about... ...That additive markup is often a BLUNT instrument. It is a very dumb (though useful) derivative replication of HTML/CSS code in shorthand. And nothing more. The conceit its "visually like writing" breaks down quickly. I think WikiText tables are as about as far as you can go. And the mess on compatibility on them between markup systems testifies to the limits. And so Markup struggles with HTML once you get beyond simple blocks or spans. ALL the conversion issues seem to stem from that. When Markup starts to get clever, like you see in Fountain Markup, markup largely disappears from view. Which is exactly what is needed. *The hidden message of "markup" is ... you don't need any user markup at all IF the document has a readable pattern ... so, rather, parse the Layout Type. Give the editor even less to type.* As soon as you switch from thinking in terms of "Generic Markup" to "Layout Type" the issues change. Your example is very interesting for illustrating the contradiction of "less visual markup and more instructions can be better." But its hardly "WikiText" as we know it. I think its good to argue this through more. Best wishes Josiah table-title: test table-caption: bla bla table-rows: 3 table-columns: 3 h1: header 1 h2: header 2 h3: header 3 a1: As much text, as I want to write here a2: more text<br> with a hard line break -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/tiddlywiki/a944fe0d-faa5-4728-950e-1ef017af8d74%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
