> Yep, you are right,I admit it, I discover hidden servers on my ISP > network and use them without their permission. I pay them enough > money so I couldn't care less. Common[sic], can you imagine a > provider complaining because one of its customer uses its ntp servers > ?
If it's one not set up for client use? Yes. > ISPs could allow ONLY their customers to connect to their time > servers and everybody would be happy. I mean there should be a law > that forces ISP to provide ntp services to their customers ;-)) It > is silly to make others like pool members pay for it. And in four elegant lines you have nutshelled the modern net.attitude that is why I've been considering withdrawing from the net entirely: laws for everything, payment for everything, and no understanding of volunteering for the good of the net. > Basically, providers should handle ALL ntp traffic internally like it > is the case for DNS root servers (you are not talking to who you > think you are talking to) and other protocols. I hope not. That kind of subtrefuge breaks things very badly in my experience. > NTP is a mess and nobody seems to care. Like a timekeeper list > poster mentioned this week; It makes him feel "important" to serve > time to a bunch of people and there is no other valid reason to be a > member of the pool beside the fun of experimenting, watching the > traffic and maintaining stats. Death of volunteerism, again. *Some* of us are here because we simply want to help others, for its own sake. > It is a pity that ISPs rely on guys like pool members to provide this > service to their customers when it is their responsibility. How is it their responsibility? I don't see any reason why an ISP has a responsibility to run an NTP server - or any other server, for that matter - absent, of course, some contractual commitment to do so, and I've never heard of one that applies to running NTP. > If done right, the cost would be ridiculous for ISPs so it wouldn't > affect the price they charge for their services. Have you ever worked at an ISP? I have - I work at one now - and, based on my own experience, you appear to have an unrealistic model of an ISP's costs. /~\ The ASCII der Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML [EMAIL PROTECTED] / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B _______________________________________________ timekeepers mailing list [email protected] https://fortytwo.ch/mailman/cgi-bin/listinfo/timekeepers
