On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 4:08 AM, Andrei Cipu <w...@strainu.ro> wrote:
> >On Tue, Sep 25, 2012, Delphine Ménard <notafi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >we can't at this stage enter in expensive improvements, because Labs is, > >in the short to mid-run, destined to replace the "toolserver as you know > it" > >>completely. It falls under the attributions of the Foundation, > as hosting provider > >of the Wikimedia Projects, to provide authors, developers and > contributors with the technical tools they need to make their work easier. > > > >Why is this? The Foundation has always tried to provide some technical > tools, but not all; it is not an exclusive job of the Foundation, and the > toolserver in particular has often (quite often!) provided support that was > not available anywhere else. It's good that more tools are being > developed and maintained. But in my opinion we need more entities, not > fewer, providing this sort of support. > > > > > >And Ryan has said elsewhere that Wikimedia Labs is not intended to > replace the toolserver. So why is WM-DE considering dropping the > toolserver? And why is the WMF considering not providing db replication > for it? I thought the goal was to make that easier, not harder. > > Samuel, you're obviously not on the same page as the executive staff at > WMF (see Erik's email). That's possible, and as Krinkle says it may well be my misunderstanding. That's why I asked. Erik's email was thorough and detailed, I'm just not clear about those few points. I am not writing as a WMF trustee, but in my personal capacity as a community member interested in the toolserver. This is a fairly operational discussion, and not something discussed by the board; I only know about it because I read this list. Regards, SJ Following this thread, it's becoming more and more clear that before any > serious discussion of the toolserver's future, the WMF needs to get it's > priorities straight. Do you or do you not want to replace the toolserver? > If you do, it seems like a sensible thing to do to keep as much of the > configuration as possible. > I've been looking at the labs in the last few days and it seems to me that > it's architecture is overkill for doing simple things. I think more and > more people will choose to go with their own hosting for robots instead of > using the labs. This probably means money spent by the WMF in traffic, > since those users will be using the api instead of accessing the database > directly. > >
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