On the other hand, the majority of plugins on the trac-hacks site are 
easy_install enabled making them almost as trivial as gems.

Jani Tiainen wrote:
> Gary Oberbrunner kirjoitti:
>   
>> Jani Tiainen wrote:
>>     
>>> I've played with Redmine a bit and it works very well with subproject 
>>> things, simple cross referencing (same as MasterTicketPlugin) and it's 
>>> very nice issue tracking system. But rest of Redmine is "crap". And it's 
>>> ruby thingy which is ugly itself. :D (That's about trashing Redmine).
>>>       
>> I'm mostly interested in subproject support and ticket xrefs (blocking
>> etc).  I haven't tried Redmine yet, but the demo certainly looks
>> enticing.  Obvious ripoff of Trac in many ways, but beyond it in several
>> (e.g. the things I need above, as well as gantt charting and more).
>> Jani, can you say more about what you find "crappy" about Redmine, from
>> your experience?  Ignoring ruby vs. python language wars of course --
>> this discussion should be about the best tool for the job.
>>     
>
>  From my limited experience there is several factors, most notably 
> Redmine is "closed" system. You either do it Redmine way or you don't do 
> it at all. It's not extensible as Trac (though, there is efforts made to 
> do that but I doubt it will be working any near future).
>
> Also lack of developers (only one or two main developers) makes feature 
> implementations much slower.
>
> Lot of things are "ripoff" from Trac. Wiki is most crappiest thing, no 
> hierarchy and such.
>
> Issue tracking in Redmine is pretty cool, specially you can have 
> different workflows for different roles.
>
> Multiproject/subproject thing is very nice, even it's not ultimate or 
> all covering solution but it works for most parts.
>
> One funny feature (I understood that's more like limitation of Ruby, not 
> Redmine itself) is that it's not trivial to install several separate 
> instances. So all projects must live together in one space...
>
> For end user point of view, it provides lot of features out of the box 
> with webui to customize settings. You don't need to know how to fetch, 
> install and handle plugins etc.
>
>   

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